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« on: January 15, 2018, 07:56:56 PM »

dawgs/ so im gonna do it too

I'll start with foriegn policy because it be the most important:

- Arm Ukraine with American weapons, admit Ukraine, Finland, Georgia to NATO
- Enforce no-fly zone over Syria, overthrow Assad.
- Enforce extreme sanctions on Iran, Venezuela, Cuba, Zimbabwe, prepare to liberate North Korea.
- It's over now but American troops should have stayed in Iraq until 2060 at earliest.
- Alliance with India, continue war in Afghanistan.
- Global missile defense program
- Invest in new and better nuclear weapons
- Increase military spending

Then I'll go to surviellance/law enforcement policy:

- Give additional resources to NSA and FBI for surveillance.
- Push through revised and more powerful USA PATRIOT Act
- Militarize police
- Support Second Amendment rights for Americans. No background checks or waiting period for weapons purchases, "assault weapons bans" in certain states are unconstitutional.

Next I suppose domestic policy:
 
- Support LGBT rights, expand anti-discrimination laws
- Enforce federal marijuana laws
- Restrict abortions
- Pass constitutional amendment against human euthanasia
- Pass animal rights legislation

Then, economic policy:

- Lower taxes on the wealthy and corporations
- Raise taxes on the middle class
- End social security, everyone gets a lump sum totaling half of what they paid in, if they're smart they'll put it in the stock market
- Use the money from ending social security and give it to the military to research better weapons
- Turn many welfare services into voucher-based programs.
- Abolish capital gains taxes

What do you guys say?
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« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2018, 08:12:45 PM »

You're a scarier version of Dick Cheney
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« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2018, 08:19:39 PM »

Very hawkish.
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« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2018, 08:33:06 PM »

Anti-Freedom on Foreign Policy, a cross between a Moderate and Tea Party Republican on Social Issues, and mostly a libertarian on economic issues.
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« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2018, 10:03:12 PM »

Anti-Freedom on Foreign Policy, a cross between a Moderate and Tea Party Republican on Social Issues, and mostly a libertarian on economic issues.
You can't be a libertarian simply on economic issues.
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« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2018, 10:17:31 PM »

Anti-Freedom on Foreign Policy, a cross between a Moderate and Tea Party Republican on Social Issues, and mostly a libertarian on economic issues.
You can't be a libertarian simply on economic issues.

Why not? Its personally within anyone's right to be a Libertarian (IE supporting maximized freedom which in this case involves smaller government) on economic issues though supporting rather conservative Social and Foreign policy views and any of these positions can be well within the definition of supporting liberty and choice. As long as it is without force that is. That is why you see both Rand and Ron Paul, both people who would be described as Libertarians, being Pro-Life and support leaving Abortion up to the states, something i would describe as somewhat of a conservative idea. Although their is far fewer, some libertarians (IE Libertarian Conservatives) also support interventionist wars including those of Iraq. This is all because the whole ideology of Libertarianism is vague and broad enough to include it. Also i must say, if you go by the (inaccurate) definition of Socially Liberal, Fiscally Conservative as the basis of Libertarianism - the social issues themselve shown by HillGoose are pretty Liberal for a Republican (IE Supporting Marijuania Laws, LGBT rights, ext.) and themselves could force the basis of Libertarianism.
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« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2018, 10:50:49 PM »

Also if it means anything, I think the absolute ideal system of government is one where I'm the last person on Earth (like "I am Legend") I don't think I'd live long as the only person on earth, but while I was alive it would be glorious.
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« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2018, 10:58:54 PM »

Anti-Freedom on Foreign Policy, a cross between a Moderate and Tea Party Republican on Social Issues, and mostly a libertarian on economic issues.
You can't be a libertarian simply on economic issues.
I kind of disagree. Libertarian economic views are very distinct and, frankly, grotesque
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« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2018, 02:05:12 AM »
« Edited: January 16, 2018, 02:09:02 AM by HillGoose »

You're a scarier version of Dick Cheney

viva la vida

Trajan, redux.
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« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2018, 02:08:38 AM »

What is your opinion of Curtis LeMay
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« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2018, 02:11:13 AM »


smart dude, we'd be better off if he had been President during Cuba. He knew America had a faster trigger, Kennedy was (at best) snookered by the commies.
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« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2018, 09:44:45 AM »

Huntsman’s not a Rockefeller Republican.
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« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2018, 01:58:26 PM »

WTF? Who on earth says they want to raise taxes on the middle class?
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« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2018, 06:31:17 PM »

Huntsman’s not a Rockefeller Republican.

in my mind he's the closest you can get today. who else could be? lol
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« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2018, 08:46:24 PM »

Huntsman’s not a Rockefeller Republican.

in my mind he's the closest you can get today. who else could be? lol
Susan Collins and Chris Shays are probably closer to Rockefeller Republicans than Huntsman.  Heck, even Charlie Baker is close to being one.
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« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2018, 10:45:32 PM »

dawgs/ so im gonna do it too

I'll start with foriegn policy because it be the most important:

- Arm Ukraine with American weapons, admit Ukraine, Finland, Georgia to NATO
- Enforce no-fly zone over Syria, overthrow Assad.
- Enforce extreme sanctions on Iran, Venezuela, Cuba, Zimbabwe, prepare to liberate North Korea.
- It's over now but American troops should have stayed in Iraq until 2060 at earliest.
- Alliance with India, continue war in Afghanistan.
- Global missile defense program
- Invest in new and better nuclear weapons
- Increase military spending

Then I'll go to surviellance/law enforcement policy:

- Give additional resources to NSA and FBI for surveillance.
- Push through revised and more powerful USA PATRIOT Act
- Militarize police
- Support Second Amendment rights for Americans. No background checks or waiting period for weapons purchases, "assault weapons bans" in certain states are unconstitutional.

Next I suppose domestic policy:
 
- Support LGBT rights, expand anti-discrimination laws
- Enforce federal marijuana laws
- Restrict abortions
- Pass constitutional amendment against human euthanasia
- Pass animal rights legislation

Then, economic policy:

- Lower taxes on the wealthy and corporations
- Raise taxes on the middle class
- End social security, everyone gets a lump sum totaling half of what they paid in, if they're smart they'll put it in the stock market
- Use the money from ending social security and give it to the military to research better weapons
- Turn many welfare services into voucher-based programs.
- Abolish capital gains taxes

What do you guys say?

well, I actually disagreed with more than 1/2 of what you said.  I guess you are at the opposite end of the Republican party than me.  Let's see:
-on foreign policy were are polar opposites.  I oppose war unless absolutely necessary and don't want to increase military spending.  We already spend WAY too much.
-I oppose unconstitutional surveillance and the "PATRIOT" act.  You need a warrant. period.
-the police are already militarized.  I would not make them any more so. 
-I agree with you on guns
-I don't want the government involved in lbgt issues and I oppose all anti-discrimination laws applying to private companies.  If I own a store, am an employer, or landlord, it should be my choice who I do business with, hire, and rent to.  However, I do support including lbgt in discrimination laws when it comes to governmental discrimination. 
-I want drug laws to be a state by state issue, and am in favor of legalization as long as the welfare state is reduced.
-I agree with you on abortion and euthanasia
-we already have ample animal rights protections
-taxes on the wealthy and corporations are already low from a historical standpoint.  Keep them the same.
-Did you mean lower taxes on middle class?  That is what I want to do.
-reform social security by raising the retirement age or lowering benefits but keep it in place.
-I agree welfare should be reformed but I would rather see a transition into more services provided by private charities.
-capital gains tax is low.  keep it the same as it is now.
Wow, I did not think it was possible to disagree with a fellow republican on so many issues.  Since I am a paleoconservative, I guess it is fair to say that is not you.  Maybe you are very staunch neocon?
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« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2018, 11:59:45 PM »

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« Reply #17 on: March 24, 2018, 12:17:10 AM »

The neocon deep state.
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« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2018, 12:36:03 AM »

WTF? Who on earth says they want to raise taxes on the middle class?

People who want us to be more like Sweden do, but it doesn't look like HillGoose has much interest in expanding the welfare state.
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« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2018, 12:47:22 AM »

WTF? Who on earth says they want to raise taxes on the middle class?

People who want us to be more like Sweden do, but it doesn't look like HillGoose has much interest in expanding the welfare state.

I mean, I wouldn't even expect most welfare state supporters to openly support raising taxes on a group they would call "middle class", even if their definition of "rich" might include what some other people would call "middle class".
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« Reply #20 on: March 24, 2018, 12:52:47 AM »

WTF? Who on earth says they want to raise taxes on the middle class?

People who want us to be more like Sweden do, but it doesn't look like HillGoose has much interest in expanding the welfare state.

I mean, I don't even expect most welfare state supporters to openly support raising taxes on a group they would call "middle class", even if their definition of "rich" might include what some other people call "middle class".

People who are informed and honest about what a Social Democratic state would require advocate for this, and Bernie had to admit he was doing this with his healthcare plan.  The argument is that the government provides for more things so you don't have to buy them yourself so in theory you end up better off.  But it's hard sell in a country like USA.
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« Reply #21 on: March 24, 2018, 01:00:29 AM »

WTF? Who on earth says they want to raise taxes on the middle class?

People who want us to be more like Sweden do, but it doesn't look like HillGoose has much interest in expanding the welfare state.

I mean, I don't even expect most welfare state supporters to openly support raising taxes on a group they would call "middle class", even if their definition of "rich" might include what some other people call "middle class".

People who are informed and honest about what a Social Democratic state would require advocate for this, and Bernie had to admit he was doing this with his healthcare plan.  The argument is that the government provides for more things so you don't have to buy them yourself so in theory you end up better off.  But it's hard sell in a country like USA.

Makes sense, I guess I just don't expect informed honesty from people. Tongue
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« Reply #22 on: March 24, 2018, 03:15:56 AM »

WTF? Who on earth says they want to raise taxes on the middle class?

People who want us to be more like Sweden do, but it doesn't look like HillGoose has much interest in expanding the welfare state.

i don't like people.
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« Reply #23 on: March 24, 2018, 07:30:03 PM »

dawgs/ so im gonna do it too

I'll start with foriegn policy because it be the most important:

- Arm Ukraine with American weapons, admit Ukraine, Finland, Georgia to NATO
- Enforce no-fly zone over Syria, overthrow Assad.
- Enforce extreme sanctions on Iran, Venezuela, Cuba, Zimbabwe, prepare to liberate North Korea.
- It's over now but American troops should have stayed in Iraq until 2060 at earliest.
- Alliance with India, continue war in Afghanistan.
- Global missile defense program
- Invest in new and better nuclear weapons
- Increase military spending

Then I'll go to surviellance/law enforcement policy:

- Give additional resources to NSA and FBI for surveillance.
- Push through revised and more powerful USA PATRIOT Act
- Militarize police
- Support Second Amendment rights for Americans. No background checks or waiting period for weapons purchases, "assault weapons bans" in certain states are unconstitutional.

Next I suppose domestic policy:
 
- Support LGBT rights, expand anti-discrimination laws
- Enforce federal marijuana laws
- Restrict abortions
- Pass constitutional amendment against human euthanasia
- Pass animal rights legislation

Then, economic policy:

- Lower taxes on the wealthy and corporations
- Raise taxes on the middle class
- End social security, everyone gets a lump sum totaling half of what they paid in, if they're smart they'll put it in the stock market
- Use the money from ending social security and give it to the military to research better weapons
- Turn many welfare services into voucher-based programs.
- Abolish capital gains taxes

What do you guys say?

well, I actually disagreed with more than 1/2 of what you said.  I guess you are at the opposite end of the Republican party than me.  Let's see:
-on foreign policy were are polar opposites.  I oppose war unless absolutely necessary and don't want to increase military spending.  We already spend WAY too much.
-I oppose unconstitutional surveillance and the "PATRIOT" act.  You need a warrant. period.
-the police are already militarized.  I would not make them any more so. 
-I agree with you on guns
-I don't want the government involved in lbgt issues and I oppose all anti-discrimination laws applying to private companies.  If I own a store, am an employer, or landlord, it should be my choice who I do business with, hire, and rent to.  However, I do support including lbgt in discrimination laws when it comes to governmental discrimination. 
-I want drug laws to be a state by state issue, and am in favor of legalization as long as the welfare state is reduced.
-I agree with you on abortion and euthanasia
-we already have ample animal rights protections
-taxes on the wealthy and corporations are already low from a historical standpoint.  Keep them the same.
-Did you mean lower taxes on middle class?  That is what I want to do.
-reform social security by raising the retirement age or lowering benefits but keep it in place.
-I agree welfare should be reformed but I would rather see a transition into more services provided by private charities.
-capital gains tax is low.  keep it the same as it is now.
Wow, I did not think it was possible to disagree with a fellow republican on so many issues.  Since I am a paleoconservative, I guess it is fair to say that is not you.  Maybe you are very staunch neocon?

HillGoose is either a parody account or legitimately crazy.
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« Reply #24 on: March 24, 2018, 07:39:58 PM »

Taking your comments at face value, you're obviously a neo-con to the core.
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