SB 2018-161: MADA Act (Passed)

[wxtransit]

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I'm not sure if this is the area to post this, but if the amendment for the MADA bill passes in the Senate, I will vote Nay on the bill in the House as it removes the major binding function of the bill. Once every two months is almost like our situation now. Once every month provides considerably more debate than present.

I'd rather see a complete bill passed than a half-baked one.

That makes no sense. As I’ve repeatedly said - nothing in my proposed amendment would prohibit the debate moderator from holding more frequent debates. Binding someone to a schedule that is too ambitious isn’t a good idea.

It wouldn't prohibit, but unfortunately it is human nature to do the absolute minimum. If this amendment gets passed, I think we would see whoever is appointed likely only doing a debate once every two months, not because of their schedule. I've hosted debates before, and let me say that it is not a particularly time-consuming task besides writing the questions (which should take 1-2 hours at most). I don't see how hosting these debates should be a schedule hindrance.

At the very least the IDC's objective should be monthly debates, though if they can't do it they get a one-time exemption and have to try harder next time.

I would support something more like this.

[Pericles]

My proposed counter-amendment to clause 2, section 1.

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[Anna Komnene]

Aye

[Associate Justice PiT]

     The amendment has enough votes to pass. Senators have 24 hours to change their votes.

[Pericles]

I urge all Senators to vote no on cynic's amendment and vote yes on mine.

[wxtransit]

I urge all Senators to vote no on cynic's amendment and vote yes on mine.

[cinyc]

I think we should take up your amendment after mine has been voted on. I think we can find common ground. Your proposed amendment is a good start. I’ll have specific comments on it if my proposed amendment passes.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     With four votes in favor and one against, cinyc's amendment is adopted.

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[Former Senator Haslam2020]

I approve!

[cinyc]

     With four votes in favor and one against, cinyc's amendment is adopted.

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Here’s my objection: Month really isn’t defined. What if the IDC doesn’t determine that he or she is capable of holding a debate until the month has already passed? We need some sort of mid-month deadline. So, I propose the following change to ii:

ii. If the IDC finds that as of the 15th of at a given calendar month it cannot create a debate, it shall request to the Senate that it be allowed to be exempt from holding a debate for that particular given month.

[Pericles]

     With four votes in favor and one against, cinyc's amendment is adopted.

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Here’s my objection: Month really isn’t defined. What if the IDC doesn’t determine that he or she is capable of holding a debate until the month has already passed? We need some sort of mid-month deadline. So, I propose the following change to ii:

ii. If the IDC finds that as of the 15th of at a given calendar month it cannot create a debate, it shall request to the Senate that it be allowed to be exempt from holding a debate for that particular given month.

Ok that's a good idea but I think the 20th is a better data than the 15th, they should have as much time as possible to try and get a debate together.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     With four votes in favor and one against, cinyc's amendment is adopted.

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     Senators have 24 hours to object.

Here’s my objection: Month really isn’t defined. What if the IDC doesn’t determine that he or she is capable of holding a debate until the month has already passed? We need some sort of mid-month deadline. So, I propose the following change to ii:

ii. If the IDC finds that as of the 15th of at a given calendar month it cannot create a debate, it shall request to the Senate that it be allowed to be exempt from holding a debate for that particular given month.

Ok that's a good idea but I think the 20th is a better data than the 15th, they should have as much time as possible to try and get a debate together.

     Are you proposing this as an amendment?

[Pericles]

     With four votes in favor and one against, cinyc's amendment is adopted.

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     Senators have 24 hours to object.

Here’s my objection: Month really isn’t defined. What if the IDC doesn’t determine that he or she is capable of holding a debate until the month has already passed? We need some sort of mid-month deadline. So, I propose the following change to ii:

ii. If the IDC finds that as of the 15th of at a given calendar month it cannot create a debate, it shall request to the Senate that it be allowed to be exempt from holding a debate for that particular given month.

Ok that's a good idea but I think the 20th is a better data than the 15th, they should have as much time as possible to try and get a debate together.

     Are you proposing this as an amendment?

I'm not entirely settled on the date but when I am I'll amend the amendment.

[cinyc]

I have no problem changing the 15th to the 20th. Currently, I’m informally proposing this as an amendment for the sponsor to take up in his amendment, if that’s possible.

[Pericles]

I amended my proposed counter-amendment to clause 2, section 1.

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[Former Senator Haslam2020]

I would love to see this passed

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     Senators have 24 hours to object.

[Anna Komnene]

I object. 

I'd like the next Senate to have a chance to weigh in on this amendment. It sure seems like a lot of bureaucracy to me.

[Pericles]

I object. 

I'd like the next Senate to have a chance to weigh in on this amendment. It sure seems like a lot of bureaucracy to me.

Have you actually read the bill?

[Associate Justice PiT]

     A bit of an odd situation there.

[Pericles]

     We can hold a vote after the PPT election.

On my amendment?

[Associate Justice PiT]

     We can hold a vote after the PPT election.

On my amendment?

     Traditionally Senate business is suspended until a PPT is elected. We can go ahead and hold it now if you would prefer.

[Pericles]

     We can hold a vote after the PPT election.

On my amendment?

     Traditionally Senate business is suspended until a PPT is elected. We can go ahead and hold it now if you would prefer.

I think we can hold the vote once the new PPT is elected.

[Pericles]

I move for a vote on my amendment, and then hopefully afterwards a vote on the final bill.

[Former Senator Haslam2020]

I like it. It’ll be an aye vote from me when the amendment comes to the floor!