Why did Bill Clinton underperform in California in 1996?
       |           

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
April 23, 2024, 07:21:30 AM
News: Election Simulator 2.0 Released. Senate/Gubernatorial maps, proportional electoral votes, and more - Read more

  Talk Elections
  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion
  U.S. Presidential Election Results (Moderator: Dereich)
  Why did Bill Clinton underperform in California in 1996?
« previous next »
Pages: [1]
Author Topic: Why did Bill Clinton underperform in California in 1996?  (Read 2377 times)
TDAS04
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 23,531
Bhutan


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« on: October 24, 2017, 11:00:48 AM »
« edited: October 24, 2017, 11:13:04 AM by TDAS04 »

California swung right that year.  I know the GOP Convention was held in San Diego, but usually that doesn't have much of an impact.

Yes, most of the West swung right in 1996, but California is more urban and densely-populated like an Eastern state, and Clinton improved upon his 1992 margins among both Hispanics and Asians.  It seems like Bill should have carried the state by more than 13 points.
Logged
Liberalrocks
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,930
United States


Political Matrix
E: -4.90, S: -4.35

P P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2017, 05:17:43 PM »

In addition to the convention, I remember I was in high school, Dole made a mild play for the state campaigning in Southern California, Fresno area and Northern counties around Chico. It was (non atlas) blue leaning then but not the deep blue state it is today.
Logged
twenty42
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 861
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2017, 04:13:58 AM »

CA’s rock-solid D status wasn’t cemented until 2008. From 1992 to 2004, it was more where OR or DE is today...heavily D leaning, but ever-so-slightly in play in a hypothetical R landslide.
Logged
Anzeigenhauptmeister
Hades
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,374
Israel


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2017, 07:37:01 AM »

Maybe he was more or less perceived as a Southerner, which still didn't go down well with educated California Democrats back then.
Logged
MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!
Kalwejt
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 57,380


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2017, 09:03:23 AM »

Clinton generally underperformed in 1996.
Logged
Matty
boshembechle
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 5,954


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2017, 01:36:41 PM »

Clinton underperformed everywhere in 1996.

Logged
libertpaulian
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 5,611
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2017, 06:37:26 AM »

If he "underperformed," how did he improve on his PV and EC margins?
Logged
twenty42
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 861
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2017, 09:08:17 AM »

If he "underperformed," how did he improve on his PV and EC margins?


Less Perot impact, and FL narrowly flipped. But remember he lost three of his 1992 states...most incumbents keep their original map.
Logged
Rookie Yinzer
RFKFan68
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,188
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2017, 10:02:37 AM »

People stayed home. Black turnout plummeted from 1992 to 1996. Seems to me most thought Clinton had it in the bag and didn't bother.
Logged
Mr. Smith
MormDem
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 33,188
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2017, 11:07:40 PM »

Welfare Reform didn't do any favors.
Logged
MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!
Kalwejt
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 57,380


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2017, 01:23:38 AM »

If he "underperformed," how did he improve on his PV and EC margins?


Less Perot impact, and FL narrowly flipped. But remember he lost three of his 1992 states...most incumbents keep their original map.

Got more electoral votes, though.

Still, he underperformed in a sense of failing to meet expectations, including getting more than 50%. Dole surged in the last weeks of the campaign.

Also notice there was 0 Clinton coattails, as evident with GOP Senate pickups, including Arkansas.
Logged
MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!
Kalwejt
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 57,380


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2017, 01:24:05 AM »

If he "underperformed," how did he improve on his PV and EC margins?


Less Perot impact, and FL narrowly flipped. But remember he lost three of his 1992 states...most incumbents keep their original map.

Got more electoral votes, though. Also, Montana in 1992 was rather a fluke.

Still, he underperformed in a sense of failing to meet expectations, including getting more than 50%. Dole surged in the last weeks of the campaign.

Also notice there was 0 Clinton coattails, as evident with GOP Senate pickups, including Arkansas.
Logged
🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸
shua
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 25,684
Nepal


Political Matrix
E: 1.29, S: -0.70

WWW Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2017, 07:39:20 AM »

The results suggest the lions share of the Perot 1992 California vote went to Dole, in contrast to the situation in the Northeast states.   Given that and the politics of the state at the time, immigration was likely key here. In 1994, Prop 187, supported by Gov Wilson, won with 59% of the vote, winning a majority in every county outside the Bay area.  The measure was criticized by Jack Kemp, but generally in CA the Republicans were associated with supporting it, with Clinton and the Democrats in opposition.

Quote
You must be logged in to read this quote.
https://migration.ucdavis.edu/mn/more.php?id=492
Logged
Arbitrage1980
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 770
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2017, 12:27:06 AM »

If he "underperformed," how did he improve on his PV and EC margins?


Less Perot impact, and FL narrowly flipped. But remember he lost three of his 1992 states...most incumbents keep their original map.

FL did not "narrowly" flip. HW Bush won it in 1992 by 1.9% while Clinton won it by 5.7%, the strongest performance by a Democrat in that state since Truman 1948. Not even LBJ 1964, Carter 1976, Obama 2008, matched Clinton 1996 winning margin.


Logged
TheElectoralBoobyPrize
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,527


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2018, 10:58:24 PM »

Clinton underperformed everywhere in 1996.



Sorry to bump this thread, but I wanted to respond to this...

Clinton OVERperformed in Louisiana in 1996. A double-digit win in a state that would be Leans Republican in the next election and Likely/Safe Republican in every election after that....sorry, no way to spin that as underperforming or performing within expectations.
Logged
Sir Mohamed
MohamedChalid
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 22,659
United States



Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2018, 04:14:34 AM »

CA’s rock-solid D status wasn’t cemented until 2008. From 1992 to 2004, it was more where OR or DE is today...heavily D leaning, but ever-so-slightly in play in a hypothetical R landslide.

Basically this. Even W got still got 44% of the vote in CA. Much more than Trump or Romney.
Logged
Hydera
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,545


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2018, 10:14:50 PM »





I moved here so i don't have any anecdotes about what happened in Cali.

But apparently in California the economy rebounded from the 1990-91 recession, However it was slower than other West Coast states like Oregon. Oregon on the otherhand had a stronger economic recovery but Clinton lost almost 2% of his 1992 margin in the state which is probably attributed to the stronger Nader vote considering Oregon had a lot of liberal/progressive/etc leftwing economic progressive voters compared to California and Washington who were upset with his first term.
Logged
Pages: [1]  
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Terms of Service - DMCA Agent and Policy - Privacy Policy and Cookies

Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines

Page created in 0.229 seconds with 12 queries.