17 Dead in Florida. GOP does nothing.

[pbrower2a]

Gun profits are more sacred than life and liberty to the Narodni -- excuse me, National Rifle Association, which has enabled extremists, criminals, and lunatics to get guns. Remember where the power lies.

[publicunofficial]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=unsKKxyC6kU

Fat lot of good those unarmed cops did here!

Oh please. Police in London stopped a knife attack in a subway with only tasers

Bet those tasers work great on the driver of a speeding lorry crashing through the crowd.

Like the deplorable who killed Heather Hayer?

Too bad there were no good guys with guns.

Lots of your friends had guns there, but they weren't on the good guy side.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=unsKKxyC6kU

Fat lot of good those unarmed cops did here!

Oh please. Police in London stopped a knife attack in a subway with only tasers

Bet those tasers work great on the driver of a speeding lorry crashing through the crowd.

Like the deplorable who killed Heather Hayer?

Too bad there were no good guys with guns.

Lots of your friends had guns there, but they weren't on the good guy side.

Well of course the police are going to be armed 

[afleitch]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=unsKKxyC6kU

Fat lot of good those unarmed cops did here!

Oh please. Police in London stopped a knife attack in a subway with only tasers

Bet those tasers work great on the driver of a speeding lorry crashing through the crowd.

Like the deplorable who killed Heather Hayer?

Too bad there were no good guys with guns.

Lots of your friends had guns there, but they weren't on the good guy side.

Well of course the police are going to be armed 

Not armed in Scotland. No guns licensed to the public. No school shootings. Funny thing de-escalation. It sort of..you know...works.

[Dr. Arch]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=unsKKxyC6kU

Fat lot of good those unarmed cops did here!

Oh please. Police in London stopped a knife attack in a subway with only tasers

Bet those tasers work great on the driver of a speeding lorry crashing through the crowd.

Like the deplorable who killed Heather Hayer?

Too bad there were no good guys with guns.

Lots of your friends had guns there, but they weren't on the good guy side.

Well of course the police are going to be armed 

I wonder how people like you go to sleep at night.

[publicunofficial]

I cannot imagine how much of a soulless, hollow, pill of a human being I'd have to be for there to be 17 kids murdered where I live, near where my brother goes to school, and immediately go online to yell NRA talking points to the online community of people that almost unanimously despise me.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=unsKKxyC6kU

Fat lot of good those unarmed cops did here!

What's your point?

His point is "please don't pay attention to the fact that Republicans' support for the gun industry got another bunch of kids killed".

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=unsKKxyC6kU

Fat lot of good those unarmed cops did here!

Oh please. Police in London stopped a knife attack in a subway with only tasers

Bet those tasers work great on the driver of a speeding lorry crashing through the crowd.

Like the deplorable who killed Heather Hayer?

Too bad there were no good guys with guns.

Lots of your friends had guns there, but they weren't on the good guy side.

Well of course the police are going to be armed 

Not armed in Scotland. No guns licensed to the public. No school shootings. Funny thing de-escalation. It sort of..you know...works.

So how do you explain Switzerland? They have, IRCC, an automatic weapons ban but that’s about it. Yet they have no shootings either.

By the way do any of you ever stop to wonder why instead of how these shootings occur?

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

I cannot imagine how much of a soulless, hollow, pill of a human being I'd have to be for there to be 17 kids murdered where I live, near where my brother goes to school, and immediately go online to yell NRA talking points to the online community of people that almost unanimously despise me.

I want to get inside of the mind of the killer more than my own, so why don’t you tell me what it’s like? You’re an angry loser with a long history of wishing death on people after all. What’s it like?

[Devout Centrist]

Wow, less than 24 hours late and here he goes again

Nice guy, FF!

[publicunofficial]

I cannot imagine how much of a soulless, hollow, pill of a human being I'd have to be for there to be 17 kids murdered where I live, near where my brother goes to school, and immediately go online to yell NRA talking points to the online community of people that almost unanimously despise me.

I want to get inside of the mind of the killer more than my own, so why don’t you tell me what it’s like? You’re an angry loser with a long history of wishing death on people after all. What’s it like?

Socialists don't murder people out of anger over being angry, outcast, racist losers. That's purely your bag.

[Devout Centrist]

I cannot imagine how much of a soulless, hollow, pill of a human being I'd have to be for there to be 17 kids murdered where I live, near where my brother goes to school, and immediately go online to yell NRA talking points to the online community of people that almost unanimously despise me.

I want to get inside of the mind of the killer more than my own, so why don’t you tell me what it’s like? You’re an angry loser with a long history of wishing death on people after all. What’s it like?

Projection isn't healthy

[Tender Branson]

The thing is that the US has a much-higher-than-average number of psychos than any other country and in combination with easy access to guns, this is the main reason for all of this.

The US needs strict gun control, like we have it here, as well as more psychological help (= lots of talk and an individual positive plan forward, and not simply swallowing tons of anti-depressants) and these things will go down in quantity.

Austria significantly tightened the gun laws in 1997 and since then, the number of gun deaths (= homicides and suicides) dropped by 80%.

In the 1980s and early 1990s, about 60% of homicides and suicides were committed by guns (the US still has the same high rate, I believe close to 70% actually) - but now, only 5-10% of homicides etc. are committed by guns.

Which of course has also lowered the overall homicide and suicide rates. The homicide rate is now just 0.5/100.000 people (1/10th the US rate) and down from 2.5/100.000 in the 1980s. One of the lowest rates on the planet.

Btw: The last school schooting took place in 1997, the year the gun law was considerably tightened ...

[fhtagn]

You know, this applies in many scenarios, but in this scenario especially: there were very clear signs that this guy had issues. He posted on social media his desire to harm people. He was expelled from the school for disciplinary issues. Those who knew him spoke of him as a loner, and a weird kid. Focusing on guns takes away from the real issue that we had something very preventable if others had actually stepped in to help this guy, be it teachers, parents/guardians, friends, etc. We should be focusing on who is failing these people, and how. The gun clearly isn't the problem.

[afleitch]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=unsKKxyC6kU

Fat lot of good those unarmed cops did here!

Oh please. Police in London stopped a knife attack in a subway with only tasers

Bet those tasers work great on the driver of a speeding lorry crashing through the crowd.

Like the deplorable who killed Heather Hayer?

Too bad there were no good guys with guns.

Lots of your friends had guns there, but they weren't on the good guy side.

Well of course the police are going to be armed 

Not armed in Scotland. No guns licensed to the public. No school shootings. Funny thing de-escalation. It sort of..you know...works.

So how do you explain Switzerland? They have, IRCC, an automatic weapons ban but that’s about it. Yet they have no shootings either.

Fine. The alternative is that, uniquely, Americans are f-cked in the head. I'll take that too.

[Holy Unifying Centrist]

You know, this applies in many scenarios, but in this scenario especially: there were very clear signs that this guy had issues. He posted on social media his desire to harm people. He was expelled from the school for disciplinary issues. Those who knew him spoke of him as a loner, and a weird kid. Focusing on guns takes away from the real issue that we had something very preventable if others had actually stepped in to help this guy, be it teachers, parents/guardians, friends, etc. We should be focusing on who is failing these people, and how. The gun clearly isn't the problem.

Yeah, we need to do a lot better job funding mental health services.

[Horus]

I wonder if this has to do with circumcision. European countries hardly ever circumcise their kids, especially lately, and there are virtually no mass shootings, mass stabbings etc.

[7,052,770]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=unsKKxyC6kU

Fat lot of good those unarmed cops did here!

Oh please. Police in London stopped a knife attack in a subway with only tasers

Bet those tasers work great on the driver of a speeding lorry crashing through the crowd.

Like the deplorable who killed Heather Hayer?

Too bad there were no good guys with guns.

Lots of your friends had guns there, but they weren't on the good guy side.

Well of course the police are going to be armed 

Not armed in Scotland. No guns licensed to the public. No school shootings. Funny thing de-escalation. It sort of..you know...works.

So how do you explain Switzerland? They have, IRCC, an automatic weapons ban but that’s about it. Yet they have no shootings either.

By the way do any of you ever stop to wonder why instead of how these shootings occur?

As constantly pointed out like everywhere, Switzerland has much stricter gun laws the the U.S.

[Tender Branson]

The gun clearly isn't the problem.

Of course the easy access to guns is the problem. At least 50% of the overall problem here.

A person who has significant psychological and aggression problems will think twice about going on a rampage if his only tools available are a knife or a screwdriver.

An [automatic, high-capacity] gun or rifle will always significantly lower this hurdle in the head of the perpetrator.

And in this way, the US stands out as a unique negative example ...

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=unsKKxyC6kU

Fat lot of good those unarmed cops did here!

Oh please. Police in London stopped a knife attack in a subway with only tasers

Bet those tasers work great on the driver of a speeding lorry crashing through the crowd.

Like the deplorable who killed Heather Hayer?

Too bad there were no good guys with guns.

Lots of your friends had guns there, but they weren't on the good guy side.

Well of course the police are going to be armed 

Not armed in Scotland. No guns licensed to the public. No school shootings. Funny thing de-escalation. It sort of..you know...works.

So how do you explain Switzerland? They have, IRCC, an automatic weapons ban but that’s about it. Yet they have no shootings either.

Fine. The alternative is that, uniquely, Americans are f-cked in the head. I'll take that too.

Refer to my initial post in this thread. I wouldn’t disagree.

[Devout Centrist]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=unsKKxyC6kU

Fat lot of good those unarmed cops did here!

Oh please. Police in London stopped a knife attack in a subway with only tasers

Bet those tasers work great on the driver of a speeding lorry crashing through the crowd.

Like the deplorable who killed Heather Hayer?

Too bad there were no good guys with guns.

Lots of your friends had guns there, but they weren't on the good guy side.

Well of course the police are going to be armed 

Not armed in Scotland. No guns licensed to the public. No school shootings. Funny thing de-escalation. It sort of..you know...works.

So how do you explain Switzerland? They have, IRCC, an automatic weapons ban but that’s about it. Yet they have no shootings either.

By the way do any of you ever stop to wonder why instead of how these shootings occur?

Switzerland has national service and has practiced armed neutrality throughout its existence. Its gun culture is unique and hardly comparable to our own. I should also note that they have no concept of openly carrying guns and they rarely issue conceal carry permits. I'd be perfectly fine if we end up with something similar to what the Swiss have.

In addition, and perhaps left out of all the, "BUT WHAT ABOUT SVIZZER GUNS?!", arguments, the suicide rate in Switzerland is also higher than in the United States. 21.5% of those suicides are performed via firearms. There are still negative side effects.

I find this last point most insulting, especially since you and several others seem keen to simply redirect the conversation. Harping on 'mental health!' every time a shooting happens is not a solution nor does it show that you genuinely care about why so many mass shootings happen in the United States.

[fhtagn]

The gun clearly isn't the problem.

Of course the easy access to guns is the problem. At least 50% of the overall problem here.

A person who has significant psychological and aggression problems will think twice about going on a rampage if his only tools available are a knife or a screwdriver.

An [automatic, high-capacity] gun or rifle will always significantly lower this hurdle in the head of the perpetrator.

And in this way, the US stands out as a unique negative example ...

When you consider the fact that mass shootings such as these could easily be avoided if people paid attention to those around them when there are clear warning signs and worked with them to get the help they need, the gun is irrelevant. You can talk about access to guns all you want, but it doesn't matter. It does nothing to solve the actual problems that lead to someone wanting to kill a bunch of people.

[publicunofficial]

The gun clearly isn't the problem.

Of course the easy access to guns is the problem. At least 50% of the overall problem here.

A person who has significant psychological and aggression problems will think twice about going on a rampage if his only tools available are a knife or a screwdriver.

An [automatic, high-capacity] gun or rifle will always significantly lower this hurdle in the head of the perpetrator.

And in this way, the US stands out as a unique negative example ...

When you consider the fact that mass shootings such as these could easily be avoided if people paid attention to those around them when there are clear warning signs and worked with them to get the help they need, the gun is irrelevant. You can talk about access to guns all you want, but it doesn't matter. It does nothing to solve the actual problems that lead to someone wanting to kill a bunch of people.

This is what people are trying to say when they talk about toxic masculinity, when they aren't drowned out by reactionary furor.

[Tender Branson]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=unsKKxyC6kU

Fat lot of good those unarmed cops did here!

Oh please. Police in London stopped a knife attack in a subway with only tasers

Bet those tasers work great on the driver of a speeding lorry crashing through the crowd.

Like the deplorable who killed Heather Hayer?

Too bad there were no good guys with guns.

Lots of your friends had guns there, but they weren't on the good guy side.

Well of course the police are going to be armed 

Not armed in Scotland. No guns licensed to the public. No school shootings. Funny thing de-escalation. It sort of..you know...works.

So how do you explain Switzerland? They have, IRCC, an automatic weapons ban but that’s about it. Yet they have no shootings either.

By the way do any of you ever stop to wonder why instead of how these shootings occur?

Switzerland has national service and has practiced armed neutrality throughout its existence. Its gun culture is unique and hardly comparable to our own. I should also note that they have no concept of openly carrying guns and they rarely issue conceal carry permits. I'd be perfectly fine if we end up with something similar to what the Swiss have.

In addition, and perhaps left out of all the, "BUT WHAT ABOUT SVIZZER GUNS?!", arguments, the suicide rate in Switzerland is also higher than in the United States. 21.5% of those suicides are performed via firearms. There are still negative side effects.

I find this last point most insulting, especially since you and several others seem keen to simply redirect the conversation. Harping on 'mental health!' every time a shooting happens is not a solution nor does it show that you genuinely care about why so many mass shootings happen in the United States.

I need to correct this:

The suicide rate in Switzerland is 13/100.000 people (the lowest on record), but in the US it is 13.5/100.000 (the rate is rising since 2000).

In Switzerland, 20% of suicides are committed by gun. In the US, that figure is 51%.

[Tender Branson]

Also, we need to mention the fact that the US is constantly in a state of "alert" and virtually always engaged in warfare.

Has there ever been a single year the US was never engaged in warfare or bombing another country or droning people there ?

This militarism abroad and at home (see how the police arms itself up) also plays a big role in the catastrophic mental state of many Americans.