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« Reply #25 on: February 16, 2018, 03:50:37 AM »

Scalise was shot and almost killed by a nutso, and he still doesn't dare to say anything that might displease the NRA.

I'm referring to ordinary people not GOP politicians.
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« Reply #26 on: February 16, 2018, 03:51:09 AM »

a more interesting question--what would it take? i honestly don't know the answer

Blacks and hispanics buying guns

The Black community already has plenty of guns, as their monumental rates of gun violence show.

The fact that Black people have guns has made white people more likely to want to cling to their own guns, not less likely.
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« Reply #27 on: February 16, 2018, 04:38:41 AM »

Scalise was shot and almost killed by a nutso, and he still doesn't dare to say anything that might displease the NRA.

I'm referring to ordinary people not GOP politicians.
Well polling already suggests the general public supports some form on gun control. As long as the NRA exists though the GOP won't lift a finger.
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« Reply #28 on: February 16, 2018, 05:01:21 AM »

There will never be a breaking point because too many people would rather someone they don't (or do) know die than make tiny inconsequential changes to their lives.
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« Reply #29 on: February 16, 2018, 05:47:13 AM »
« Edited: February 16, 2018, 05:48:54 AM by Great Again: American Horror Story »

Of course not.

That a couple of schoolkids get snuffed once in a while is the price one must be willing to pay if you want to have true freedom. You can't make an omelette without breaking some eggs, after all. The Republican Party understands that better than everybody else.
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« Reply #30 on: February 16, 2018, 08:41:39 AM »

Is this the day Donald Trump finally becomes president?
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« Reply #31 on: February 16, 2018, 12:28:42 PM »

Democrats lack the political will and courage to take on this issue.

Gun control is alot like the Civil Rights issue....it's basically another gigantic problem the crusty Boomers will punt to future generations to deal with in the way Civil Rights was ignored for nearly a century and always deferred to some future generation to fix.

Huh

They don't lack the courage. They lack the power to do something about it. That was just as true in 2012 as it is now. So long as Republicans have a say in any part of the process, they will say no. No doubt a lot of Democratic Congresspeople recognize the futility of this so long as Republicans control a branch/chamber of the federal govt/Congress.

The quality of the legislation matters. The Democrats could scrape by the votes necessary to pass weak sauce legislation that has tons of loopholes, has weak enforcement measures, and does little to actually fix the problem but gives them cover to say they did something. But comprehensive, far reaching legislation that leaves no room for anything to slip past is a long ways away. It's always been like this in American history, we always pass weak legislation until the opportunity opens up to jam through the real deal.
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« Reply #32 on: February 16, 2018, 01:26:30 PM »

Democrats lack the political will and courage to take on this issue.

Gun control is alot like the Civil Rights issue....it's basically another gigantic problem the crusty Boomers will punt to future generations to deal with in the way Civil Rights was ignored for nearly a century and always deferred to some future generation to fix.

Huh

They don't lack the courage. They lack the power to do something about it. That was just as true in 2012 as it is now. So long as Republicans have a say in any part of the process, they will say no. No doubt a lot of Democratic Congresspeople recognize the futility of this so long as Republicans control a branch/chamber of the federal govt/Congress.

So long as Republicans have a say? That’s called democracy.
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« Reply #33 on: February 16, 2018, 01:34:41 PM »

Democrats lack the political will and courage to take on this issue.

Gun control is alot like the Civil Rights issue....it's basically another gigantic problem the crusty Boomers will punt to future generations to deal with in the way Civil Rights was ignored for nearly a century and always deferred to some future generation to fix.

Huh

They don't lack the courage. They lack the power to do something about it. That was just as true in 2012 as it is now. So long as Republicans have a say in any part of the process, they will say no. No doubt a lot of Democratic Congresspeople recognize the futility of this so long as Republicans control a branch/chamber of the federal govt/Congress.

So long as Republicans have a say? That’s called democracy.

The same democracy where southern senators blocked every effort to outlaw lynching and give civil rights to blacks.
Amirite bro?
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« Reply #34 on: February 16, 2018, 01:39:15 PM »

No. According to the President and the Republican sell-outs to the gun lobby, the right of a pathetic loser to buy a firearm and ammunition is more basic than the right to any basic decency in life, including an effort to turn that pathetic loser around. Remember that in Corporate America (the only 'America' that matters anymore), no human suffering can ever be in excess so long as there is a profit to be gained from such.   
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« Reply #35 on: February 16, 2018, 02:10:48 PM »

So long as Republicans have a say? That’s called democracy.

Why do you take umbrage? Your party just blew up our deficit with a partisan tax bill and also sought to take health insurance away from tens of millions of people with a party line vote.

Just because Republicans are rabidly anti-gun control doesn't mean America as a whole is. There is public support for some things you guys refuse to consider. By blocking this, you only help ensure that when you guys eventually find yourselves sufficiently in the minority in Congress, a partisan gun control bill will be passed over your objections. This is what happens when you stonewall certain policies that have a lot of support. And for the record, it's not like gun control is the only thing Congressional Republicans refuse to consider. Pretty much anything Obama wanted to do was also off the table.
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« Reply #36 on: February 16, 2018, 03:32:27 PM »

I gave up hope after 20 kindergarteners were gunned down 2 weeks before Christmas.
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« Reply #37 on: February 16, 2018, 08:04:28 PM »

So long as Republicans have a say? That’s called democracy.

Why do you take umbrage? Your party just blew up our deficit with a partisan tax bill and also sought to take health insurance away from tens of millions of people with a party line vote.

Just because Republicans are rabidly anti-gun control doesn't mean America as a whole is. There is public support for some things you guys refuse to consider. By blocking this, you only help ensure that when you guys eventually find yourselves sufficiently in the minority in Congress, a partisan gun control bill will be passed over your objections. This is what happens when you stonewall certain policies that have a lot of support. And for the record, it's not like gun control is the only thing Congressional Republicans refuse to consider. Pretty much anything Obama wanted to do was also off the table.

If I remember correctly, there was a health care bill that passed that did not receive a single vote from the opposing party. So it’s not like either side has completely clean hands.
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« Reply #38 on: February 16, 2018, 08:06:51 PM »

So long as Republicans have a say? That’s called democracy.

Why do you take umbrage? Your party just blew up our deficit with a partisan tax bill and also sought to take health insurance away from tens of millions of people with a party line vote.

Just because Republicans are rabidly anti-gun control doesn't mean America as a whole is. There is public support for some things you guys refuse to consider. By blocking this, you only help ensure that when you guys eventually find yourselves sufficiently in the minority in Congress, a partisan gun control bill will be passed over your objections. This is what happens when you stonewall certain policies that have a lot of support. And for the record, it's not like gun control is the only thing Congressional Republicans refuse to consider. Pretty much anything Obama wanted to do was also off the table.

If I remember correctly, there was a health care bill that passed that did not receive a single vote from the opposing party. So it’s not like either side has completely clean hands.

That's only because Republicans refused to vote for it no matter what. The Democrats gladly would have changed the bill to pick up GOP support.
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« Reply #39 on: February 17, 2018, 02:44:41 AM »

Nah, nothing will stop the NRA and GOP from being so obstinate.

What would it take, I don't know. Maybe if everybody starts 3D-printing guns at home and cut into the gun companies' profits then the gun lobby might bend. (The gun debate would get even messier though). Either that, or we'll still be seeing politicians giving thoughts and prayers by the heat death of the universe.
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« Reply #40 on: February 17, 2018, 08:26:53 AM »

a more interesting question--what would it take? i honestly don't know the answer

Blacks and hispanics buying guns

Well, in 1967, Ronald Reagan got a gun control bill passed with the NRA"s support because of the black panthers. But I think the NRA is too pro gun to let their racism get much in the way any more.
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« Reply #41 on: February 17, 2018, 09:38:47 AM »

The problem isn't guns, it's people. Don't get me wrong, I believe in common sense gun laws, background checks and I don't think you should be able to just go into a store and walk right out with a gun, unless you are already in the system. But even if we banned all the guns in the world, people will still kill people with whatever they can get a hold of.
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« Reply #42 on: February 23, 2018, 04:22:02 PM »

The problem isn't guns, it's people. Don't get me wrong, I believe in common sense gun laws, background checks and I don't think you should be able to just go into a store and walk right out with a gun, unless you are already in the system. But even if we banned all the guns in the world, people will still kill people with whatever they can get a hold of.

The role guns play is in the death toll, and in some situations, perhaps the thought of causing many deaths is the final nudge that pushes a particular shooter to go on a shooting spree. I think you are right that people are the root problem, but I think guns play an obviously big role here. I do think the infatuation with assault weapon bans is a bit misguided though. It's not going to stop mass shootings. You don't need an AR-15 to murder dozens of people, and previous school shootings (Columbine, VA Tech) have proven that.

Extensive background checks that take into account mental conditions, FBI tips, social media checks, and ending the gunshow loophole would help a lot. Smart guns that require a person's fingerprints/dna to be encoded as an access lock for the gun would also help, although that technology needs to be developed and refined.
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« Reply #43 on: February 23, 2018, 06:46:41 PM »

So long as Republicans have a say? That’s called democracy.

Why do you take umbrage? Your party just blew up our deficit with a partisan tax bill and also sought to take health insurance away from tens of millions of people with a party line vote.

Just because Republicans are rabidly anti-gun control doesn't mean America as a whole is. There is public support for some things you guys refuse to consider. By blocking this, you only help ensure that when you guys eventually find yourselves sufficiently in the minority in Congress, a partisan gun control bill will be passed over your objections. This is what happens when you stonewall certain policies that have a lot of support. And for the record, it's not like gun control is the only thing Congressional Republicans refuse to consider. Pretty much anything Obama wanted to do was also off the table.

If I remember correctly, there was a health care bill that passed that did not receive a single vote from the opposing party. So it’s not like either side has completely clean hands.

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