Which of these ideologies would you more expect a racist redneck to be?

[HillGoose]

Just curious.

[darklordoftech]

Neoconservative foreign policy, alt-right domestic policy

[Goldwater]

Neoconservative foreign policy, alt-right domestic policy

Really? I expect he would consider Neocons to be globalist RINOs.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Depends on who the Republican President is



The far right loved Neo-Conservatism when W Bush was President.   

[RINO Tom]

Depends on who the Republican President is



The far right loved Neo-Conservatism when W Bush was President.

"Racist redneck" =/= necessarily far right, even if they often coincide right now.

[America's Sweetheart ❤/𝕿𝖍𝖊 𝕭𝖔𝖔𝖙𝖞 𝖂𝖆𝖗𝖗𝖎𝖔𝖗]

Depends on who the Republican President is



The far right loved Neo-Conservatism when W Bush was President.

"Racist redneck" =/= necessarily far right, even if they often coincide right now.

Very true. I know a racist redneck who is actually a loyal Democrat and voted for Obama and Hillary, although he's also espoused neo-Nazi views and joked about vandalizing a black cemetery.

[AtorBoltox]

Expecting a racist redneck to have a coherent ideology is a big ask. They believe whatever they're told to at any given moment, the only consistent part is the racism

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Expecting a racist redneck to have a coherent ideology is a big ask. They believe whatever they're told to at any given moment, the only consistent part is the racism

This is very true. If Bernie Sanders was the Democratic nominee and supported segregation, he'd sweep the Deep South.

[darklordoftech]

Expecting a racist redneck to have a coherent ideology is a big ask. They believe whatever they're told to at any given moment, the only consistent part is the racism

This is very true. If Bernie Sanders was the Democratic nominee and supported segregation, he'd sweep the Deep South.

Wasn't George Wallace pretty much a segregationist (and socially conservative) Bernie Sanders?

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Expecting a racist redneck to have a coherent ideology is a big ask. They believe whatever they're told to at any given moment, the only consistent part is the racism

This is very true. If Bernie Sanders was the Democratic nominee and supported segregation, he'd sweep the Deep South.

Wasn't George Wallace pretty much a segregationist (and socially conservative) Bernie Sanders?

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No.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

A weird combination of some things that sort of seem like those 3 things but aren't.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

NOTA, as very very few people actually adhere to any of those "ideologies".

[Person Man]

Stereotypically, the third of course but reality is messy.

[buritobr]

Libertarianism is very useful to racista rednecks

"The shop is my private property and if I decide that blacks, gays and jews are not allowed to enter, the state should not intervene"

[Oldiesfreak1854]

Alt right.  People often forget that neocons were considered liberals in the 60s because, among other things, they supported the civil rights movement.  Alt right politics are inherently based on racism and xenophobia, which means that a racist redneck is most likely to be one of them.  (However, a non-racist one could be either an neocon or libertarian.)

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rednecks are no more likely to be racist than middle-class suburb dwellers.

[darklordoftech]

These three ideologies aren't mutually exclusive.

[Oldiesfreak1854]

These three ideologies aren't mutually exclusive.

They are on race and welfare.  Neocons were originally liberals who supported the New Deal, the Great Society, and the civil rights movement.  They only became conservatives as the standards of the time changed and liberal hawks started going the way of 8-tracks and dodos.

[darklordoftech]

People often forget that neocons were considered liberals in the 60s because, among other things, they supported the civil rights movement. 

Neocons were originally liberals who supported the New Deal, the Great Society, and the civil rights movement.  They only became conservatives as the standards of the time changed and liberal hawks started going the way of 8-tracks and dodos.

This may be true of Scoop Jackson and Wolfowitz, but Dubya, Cheney, and Rumsfeld were always conservative.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

People often forget that neocons were considered liberals in the 60s because, among other things, they supported the civil rights movement. 

Neocons were originally liberals who supported the New Deal, the Great Society, and the civil rights movement.  They only became conservatives as the standards of the time changed and liberal hawks started going the way of 8-tracks and dodos.

This may be true of Scoop Jackson and Wolfowitz, but Dubya, Cheney, and Rumsfeld were always conservative.

Beyond that, one needs only a very vague set of predispositions to make political decisions, and these need not ever be consistent. The 2000's neoconservative was Obama's libertarian and today's fascist, and perhaps in reverse as well. People, as political actors, when isolated as society allows them to be in these days, can easily undergo personal political 180's. Look at the variety of beliefs the single "normal" person may hold in their lifetime! For our hypothetical racist redneck, perhaps they supported the War on Terror because of their chauvinistic belief in the right of America to do whatever it wanted and hostility toward Muslims; perhaps now they oppose intervention because of the chauvinistic belief that America can do whatever it wants and hostility toward Muslims. Perhaps they opposed all forms of welfare in 2004, became even more extreme by 2010, and yet embraced the idea that it was some sort of global elite screwing them over just in time for Trump. The question this thread opens with is full of a set of assumptions, one being that a person cannot hold contradictory beliefs simultaneously.

[darklordoftech]

People often forget that neocons were considered liberals in the 60s because, among other things, they supported the civil rights movement. 

Neocons were originally liberals who supported the New Deal, the Great Society, and the civil rights movement.  They only became conservatives as the standards of the time changed and liberal hawks started going the way of 8-tracks and dodos.

This may be true of Scoop Jackson and Wolfowitz, but Dubya, Cheney, and Rumsfeld were always conservative.

Beyond that, one needs only a very vague set of predispositions to make political decisions, and these need not ever be consistent. The 2000's neoconservative was Obama's libertarian and today's fascist, and perhaps in reverse as well. People, as political actors, when isolated as society allows them to be in these days, can easily undergo personal political 180's. Look at the variety of beliefs the single "normal" person may hold in their lifetime! For our hypothetical racist redneck, perhaps they supported the War on Terror because of their chauvinistic belief in the right of America to do whatever it wanted and hostility toward Muslims; perhaps now they oppose intervention because of the chauvinistic belief that America can do whatever it wants and hostility toward Muslims. Perhaps they opposed all forms of welfare in 2004, became even more extreme by 2010, and yet embraced the idea that it was some sort of global elite screwing them over just in time for Trump. The question this thread opens with is full of a set of assumptions, one being that a person cannot hold contradictory beliefs simultaneously.

Bingo! Notice how quickly Hannity went from attacking Clinton for intervening in Kosovo to cheering for Iraq to be invaded.

[Oldiesfreak1854]

People often forget that neocons were considered liberals in the 60s because, among other things, they supported the civil rights movement.

Neocons were originally liberals who supported the New Deal, the Great Society, and the civil rights movement.  They only became conservatives as the standards of the time changed and liberal hawks started going the way of 8-tracks and dodos.

This may be true of Scoop Jackson and Wolfowitz, but Dubya, Cheney, and Rumsfeld were always conservative.

Yes, but they mostly came after the time period I was referring to.  I was talking mostly about people like Irving Kristol.  And Rumsfeld actually DID support civil rights legislation as a Congressman.

[darklordoftech]

Rumsfeld actually DID support civil rights legislation as a Congressman.

So did the majority of conservatives.

[Pennsylvania Deplorable]

Probably closest to neocon because very few people are actually alt-right or libertarian. Both of those are generally young men, as well. I'm picturing a middle aged guy here, so he'd probably not follow politics closely but support the generic republican stance of the day and complain about irrelevant things like flag burning and kneeling for the national anthem.

[Oldiesfreak1854]

Rumsfeld actually DID support civil rights legislation as a Congressman.

So did the majority of conservatives.

Exactly, which is why it's stupid for people to equate "segregationist" with "conservative" and vice versa.