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« on: February 17, 2018, 10:30:51 PM »

Or at least one of the most privileged. I mean, think about it:

- He started out with millions from his rich father
- He got into UPenn on his connections when almost anyone else has to work their butts off to get in
- Then when he got into the business world, he was able to make millions simply by selling his name (after suffering from multiple bankrupcies)
- Even after being sued hundreds of times, he managed to get off scot-free (so far)
- Being rich, white, male, and straight, he doesn't suffer from any sort of social -ism in his life
- Unlike past elites like emperors, popes, etc. he can avail himself of all the joys of modern technology, like antibiotics and Twitter
- He has worked very little compared to other modern elites too (again no political experience, no artistic or scientific talent, managed to bankrupt his business multiple times, etc.)
- Despite being manifestly unqualified, he managed to make billions and become the most powerful man on the planet
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« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2018, 10:54:54 PM »

Mellon? Rockefeller(any of them, even the Democratic Jay Rockefeller)? Any of the Kennedys? Maybe Bloomberg? Or one of the Waltons? Any members of the Hearst family? Elizabeth Warren, who is in the top hundredth of a percent* in net worth, worth between six and ten million dollars?

Any of the hundreds of thousands of kings and queens, princes and princesses, dukes and duchesses, counts and countesses, or any nobles/lords, who were raised and absolutely supported the greatest peak of social elitism and classism not because of money they made but because of their parents?

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« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2018, 11:02:57 PM »

Any of the hundreds of thousands of kings and queens, princes and princesses, dukes and duchesses, counts and countesses, or any nobles/lords, who were raised and absolutely supported the greatest peak of social elitism and classism not because of money they made but because of their parents?

I already addressed that in the OP. While sure, many of them would've been far more privileged than Trump relative to their contemporaries, they're less privileged than him in an absolute sense due to technological advancement. In fact, the average middle-class family in a wealthy nation has better living standards than these past elites. In the past:
- They would've used bloodletting or herbs as medical treatment
- They had to use dim and dirty candles instead of electric lighting
- Travel was measured in weeks, not hours
- Air conditioning was unheard of
- etc, etc, etc.
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« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2018, 11:04:42 PM »

What about the Bushes?
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« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2018, 11:09:56 PM »

Any of the hundreds of thousands of kings and queens, princes and princesses, dukes and duchesses, counts and countesses, or any nobles/lords, who were raised and absolutely supported the greatest peak of social elitism and classism not because of money they made but because of their parents?

I already addressed that in the OP. While sure, many of them would've been far more privileged than Trump relative to their contemporaries, they're less privileged than him in an absolute sense due to technological advancement. In fact, the average middle-class family in a wealthy nation has better living standards than these past elites. In the past:
- They would've used bloodletting or herbs as medical treatment
- They had to use dim and dirty candles instead of electric lighting
- Travel was measured in weeks, not hours
- Air conditioning was unheard of
- etc, etc, etc.

Then please respond to my first paragraph.
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« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2018, 11:22:20 PM »

No, not even close. He might want to be, or think he is, but no.

I'd give you Kim Jong-il. Just read this. And he also had the privilege of being able to get away with just about everything he did within his own country.
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« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2018, 11:40:46 PM »
« Edited: February 17, 2018, 11:43:06 PM by Serendipity »

Mellon? Rockefeller(any of them, even the Democratic Jay Rockefeller)? Any of the Kennedys? Maybe Bloomberg? Or one of the Waltons? Any members of the Hearst family? Elizabeth Warren, who is in the top hundredth of a percent* in net worth, worth between six and ten million dollars?
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But both Bloomberg and Warren grew up in middle-class families and worked hard to accumulate their wealth. Trump was born into massive wealth.
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« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2018, 11:42:06 PM »

Or at least one of the most privileged. I mean, think about it:

- Being rich, white, male, and straight, he doesn't suffer from any sort of social -ism in his life


Actually, I think he has some form of mental illness, so that immediately disqualifies him as "the most privileged person in history." 
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« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2018, 11:51:56 PM »

Mellon? Rockefeller(any of them, even the Democratic Jay Rockefeller)? Any of the Kennedys? Maybe Bloomberg? Or one of the Waltons? Any members of the Hearst family? Elizabeth Warren, who is in the top hundredth of a percent* in net worth, worth between six and ten million dollars?
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But both Bloomberg and Warren grew up in middle-class families and worked hard to accumulate their wealth. Trump was born into massive wealth.

What about the Democrats's new face? Joe Kennedy III, the man universally panned by Democrats? Worth almost twenty million dollars? Trump's father came from the middle class. Even Joe Kennedy's great-grandfather came from the very highest economic class of society, worth just less than those such as Rockefeller and Carnegie.
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« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2018, 01:23:30 AM »

of course not.  he clearly has some unfortunate personal issues.
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« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2018, 03:57:06 AM »

No because I can't say anything in such confidence, and as people mentioned, Kim Jong Un for example is more privileged. But he IS the most privileged American politician in history, most likely.

Mellon? Rockefeller(any of them, even the Democratic Jay Rockefeller)? Any of the Kennedys? Maybe Bloomberg? Or one of the Waltons? Any members of the Hearst family? Elizabeth Warren, who is in the top hundredth of a percent* in net worth, worth between six and ten million dollars?

All the people you mentioned are either political dynasties, whose members actually had to work hard as governors or legislators to distinguish themselves, a very successful businessman like Bloomberg who, just from a quick look at his Wikipedia page, is CLEARLY much less privileged than Trump- the son of a simple mother and father and the grandson of immigrants. And as for Warren... please. She's not only a woman, which even in today's society makes her less privileged, but also worked hard for consumers and taught in a university. How can you even think that Trump, a spoiled brat in a suit, is less privileged than these people?
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« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2018, 04:13:32 AM »

No because I can't say anything in such confidence, and as people mentioned, Kim Jong Un for example is more privileged. But he IS the most privileged American politician in history, most likely.

Mellon? Rockefeller(any of them, even the Democratic Jay Rockefeller)? Any of the Kennedys? Maybe Bloomberg? Or one of the Waltons? Any members of the Hearst family? Elizabeth Warren, who is in the top hundredth of a percent* in net worth, worth between six and ten million dollars?

All the people you mentioned are either political dynasties, whose members actually had to work hard as governors or legislators to distinguish themselves, a very successful businessman like Bloomberg who, just from a quick look at his Wikipedia page, is CLEARLY much less privileged than Trump- the son of a simple mother and father and the grandson of immigrants. And as for Warren... please. She's not only a woman, which even in today's society makes her less privileged, but also worked hard for consumers and taught in a university. How can you even think that Trump, a spoiled brat in a suit, is less privileged than these people?

The Rockefellers and Kennedys are only wealthy because their parents were, not because of their own hard work. At least Trump has significantly increased his own net worth.
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« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2018, 04:17:57 AM »

No because I can't say anything in such confidence, and as people mentioned, Kim Jong Un for example is more privileged. But he IS the most privileged American politician in history, most likely.

Mellon? Rockefeller(any of them, even the Democratic Jay Rockefeller)? Any of the Kennedys? Maybe Bloomberg? Or one of the Waltons? Any members of the Hearst family? Elizabeth Warren, who is in the top hundredth of a percent* in net worth, worth between six and ten million dollars?

All the people you mentioned are either political dynasties, whose members actually had to work hard as governors or legislators to distinguish themselves, a very successful businessman like Bloomberg who, just from a quick look at his Wikipedia page, is CLEARLY much less privileged than Trump- the son of a simple mother and father and the grandson of immigrants. And as for Warren... please. She's not only a woman, which even in today's society makes her less privileged, but also worked hard for consumers and taught in a university. How can you even think that Trump, a spoiled brat in a suit, is less privileged than these people?

The Rockefellers and Kennedys are only wealthy because their parents were, not because of their own hard work. At least Trump has significantly increased his own net worth.

Wealthy, yes. But remember that the Rockfellers and Kennedys became politicians, public servants who worked hard as quality Governors or Senators, rather than businessmen like Trump. I'm certain that if they tried to increase their networth, they'd do it much better than a failure like Trump. He just jumped right on the Presidency without any prior experience to satisfy his narcissism and bloated ego, knowing full well that he doesn't have the necessary experience for such a job.
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« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2018, 05:26:33 AM »

"Privileged" is a retarded word.
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« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2018, 05:37:02 AM »

Any of the hundreds of thousands of kings and queens, princes and princesses, dukes and duchesses, counts and countesses, or any nobles/lords, who were raised and absolutely supported the greatest peak of social elitism and classism not because of money they made but because of their parents?

I already addressed that in the OP. While sure, many of them would've been far more privileged than Trump relative to their contemporaries, they're less privileged than him in an absolute sense due to technological advancement. In fact, the average middle-class family in a wealthy nation has better living standards than these past elites. In the past:
- They would've used bloodletting or herbs as medical treatment
- They had to use dim and dirty candles instead of electric lighting
- Travel was measured in weeks, not hours
- Air conditioning was unheard of
- etc, etc, etc.

Prince Mohammad bin Salman of Saudia Arabia then.
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« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2018, 06:25:22 AM »

He has way too many mental issues to be considered the most privileged person in history.  Plus,  he's an American, and despite what the jealous and envious suggest, rich people can't just do whatever the hell they want, whenever the hell they want to, to whomever they want.  Yes, he and they and more likely to get away with sh**t than you or I, but just barely.

No, I'd think the most privileged person would be some ruler (or favorite family member of ruler) of a modern sh**t country.  They can get away with sooooo much more.
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« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2018, 09:45:16 AM »

Muh straight white males!!!!!!
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« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2018, 06:50:55 PM »

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« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2018, 06:53:36 PM »

Any of the hundreds of thousands of kings and queens, princes and princesses, dukes and duchesses, counts and countesses, or any nobles/lords, who were raised and absolutely supported the greatest peak of social elitism and classism not because of money they made but because of their parents?

I already addressed that in the OP. While sure, many of them would've been far more privileged than Trump relative to their contemporaries, they're less privileged than him in an absolute sense due to technological advancement. In fact, the average middle-class family in a wealthy nation has better living standards than these past elites. In the past:
- They would've used bloodletting or herbs as medical treatment
- They had to use dim and dirty candles instead of electric lighting
- Travel was measured in weeks, not hours
- Air conditioning was unheard of
- etc, etc, etc.

Prince Mohammad bin Salman of Saudia Arabia then.

Muslims can't be privileged over white people in the minds of people who use that word.
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« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2018, 07:00:48 PM »

Wrong, if you look at robber barons during the gilded age, they had about as much influence on politics as trump right now even though they didn't serve in office at all.
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« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2018, 07:23:43 PM »

Trump's gender and sexual orientation became a disadvantage at the time he ran for office.
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« Reply #21 on: February 18, 2018, 07:29:38 PM »

It's either Trump or Bush Junior. The only reason I might give the latter an advantage is because of his dad. However, the latter is less relevant now. Whatever Bush said about our society, some could argue it was either washed away or changed by Obama.

Today, Trump is three things: the epitome of privilege, the ultimate proof and manifestation of its role in the world, and the second best case for what's wrong with it.
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« Reply #22 on: February 18, 2018, 07:37:35 PM »

Any of the hundreds of thousands of kings and queens, princes and princesses, dukes and duchesses, counts and countesses, or any nobles/lords, who were raised and absolutely supported the greatest peak of social elitism and classism not because of money they made but because of their parents?

I already addressed that in the OP. While sure, many of them would've been far more privileged than Trump relative to their contemporaries, they're less privileged than him in an absolute sense due to technological advancement. In fact, the average middle-class family in a wealthy nation has better living standards than these past elites. In the past:
- They would've used bloodletting or herbs as medical treatment
- They had to use dim and dirty candles instead of electric lighting
- Travel was measured in weeks, not hours
- Air conditioning was unheard of
- etc, etc, etc.

Prince Mohammad bin Salman of Saudia Arabia then.

Unlike Trump who stumbled into the presidency by spewing BS out his mouth, MBS had to be extremely shrewd to rise to power in the Saudi aristocracy. Also, both him and the Kim family run countries with less power and more problems than the US.

Any of the hundreds of thousands of kings and queens, princes and princesses, dukes and duchesses, counts and countesses, or any nobles/lords, who were raised and absolutely supported the greatest peak of social elitism and classism not because of money they made but because of their parents?

I already addressed that in the OP. While sure, many of them would've been far more privileged than Trump relative to their contemporaries, they're less privileged than him in an absolute sense due to technological advancement. In fact, the average middle-class family in a wealthy nation has better living standards than these past elites. In the past:
- They would've used bloodletting or herbs as medical treatment
- They had to use dim and dirty candles instead of electric lighting
- Travel was measured in weeks, not hours
- Air conditioning was unheard of
- etc, etc, etc.

Prince Mohammad bin Salman of Saudia Arabia then.

Muslims can't be privileged over white people in the minds of people who use that word.

Lmao
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« Reply #23 on: February 18, 2018, 07:45:51 PM »

Muslims can't be privileged over white people in the minds of people who use that word.

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« Reply #24 on: February 18, 2018, 10:14:48 PM »

No...
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