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« on: February 18, 2018, 09:31:09 PM »

The title says it all.

Personally, what I don't get is that the members of the Republican party will march and speak in support of a bakery refusing service to a gay couple, but will shrug and say "It happens" when a school is shot up.
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« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2018, 10:22:44 PM »

Yes (sane)
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« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2018, 10:48:38 PM »

The title says it all.

Personally, what I don't get is that the members of the Republican party will march and speak in support of a bakery refusing service to a gay couple, but will shrug and say "It happens" when a school is shot up.

The biggest issue with this reasoning is that one of your examples, the gay wedding cake one, is an issue where there is considerable disagreement about what the law should be. In contrast, everyone already agrees it should be illegal to shoot up a school. That's not a minor distinction. So it's pretty hard to see what comparison/argument is actually being made here.
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« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2018, 11:29:24 PM »

No (Not retarded)
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« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2018, 11:44:18 PM »

No, and I don't buy any "since you don't support ____ you are responsible for _____" arguments.
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« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2018, 11:53:00 PM »

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« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2018, 11:54:12 PM »

If so, then Democrats in support of sanctuary cities are complicit in every crime committed by illegal immigrants within them.

The situation is far more nuanced, and painting large segments of the population as "complicit" in crimes does nothing to address the problem.

This man was mentally deranged, and we need to look at measures at improving mental health in this country rather than limiting the rights of law-abiding citizens.
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« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2018, 11:56:58 PM »

If so, then Democrats in support of sanctuary cities are complicit in every crime committed by illegal immigrants within them.

The situation is far more nuanced, and painting large segments of the population as "complicit" in crimes does nothing to address the problem.

This man was mentally deranged, and we need to look at measures at improving mental health in this country rather than limiting the rights of law-abiding citizens.
Why are you bothering to waste time crafting such a sane response to PittspergSteel’s inane hackery?
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« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2018, 12:15:06 AM »

If so, then Democrats in support of sanctuary cities are complicit in every crime committed by illegal immigrants within them.

The situation is far more nuanced, and painting large segments of the population as "complicit" in crimes does nothing to address the problem.

This man was mentally deranged, and we need to look at measures at improving mental health in this country rather than limiting the rights of law-abiding citizens.
Why are you bothering to waste time crafting such a sane response to PittspergSteel’s inane hackery?

As the Democrats love to say, "When they go low, we go high." Wink
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« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2018, 12:50:04 AM »

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« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2018, 12:58:08 AM »

If so, then Democrats in support of sanctuary cities are complicit in every crime committed by illegal immigrants within them.

The situation is far more nuanced, and painting large segments of the population as "complicit" in crimes does nothing to address the problem.

This man was mentally deranged, and we need to look at measures at improving mental health in this country rather than limiting the rights of law-abiding citizens.
oh good so you think that the government should fund mental health services then
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« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2018, 01:11:23 AM »
« Edited: February 19, 2018, 01:18:30 AM by ThatConservativeGuy »

If so, then Democrats in support of sanctuary cities are complicit in every crime committed by illegal immigrants within them.

The situation is far more nuanced, and painting large segments of the population as "complicit" in crimes does nothing to address the problem.

This man was mentally deranged, and we need to look at measures at improving mental health in this country rather than limiting the rights of law-abiding citizens.
oh good so you think that the government should fund mental health services then

Yes... that's why I said it. There should also be privately-led initiatives for improving mental health in the workplace and other things like that, but from a public-safety standpoint, yes, government should invest in mental health research.
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« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2018, 03:02:35 AM »

If so, then Democrats in support of sanctuary cities are complicit in every crime committed by illegal immigrants within them.

The situation is far more nuanced, and painting large segments of the population as "complicit" in crimes does nothing to address the problem.

This man was mentally deranged, and we need to look at measures at improving mental health in this country rather than limiting the rights of law-abiding citizens.
Why are you bothering to waste time crafting such a sane response to PittspergSteel’s inane hackery?

As the Democrats love to say, "When they go low, we go high." Wink

Oh, fine. I change my vote to no.

But I still maintain that there's more to this than just mental health. Further, I would argue that all rights are limited, and the right to a firearm should be no exception.
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« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2018, 03:31:37 AM »

No, the shooters are the ones committing the crime. But the NRA and Republican Party, by opposing gun control, show that they, sadly, don't care, or at the very least don't care enough to learn from the rest of the world and try a well-tested way to stop so many teenagers from dying. Money, profits and, for the more ideological ones, a gun-obsessed mindset they stubbornly hold to, are more important to them as long as they refuse to do anything to stop the shootings.
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« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2018, 06:55:36 AM »

Yes, I believe the right to stay alive trumps the right to own military-grade weaponry. If Republicans gave one single f-ck, they would have at least banned bump stocks, a move even the right-wing terrorists at the NRA support. If you care at all, where is your action? This is an issue because a 4% minority is somehow scaring a majority of Congress to inaction. 95% of Americans support universal background checks and they failed to pass that even after 20+ 5-6 year-olds were murdered in an elementary school.
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« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2018, 08:11:28 AM »

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« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2018, 08:13:04 AM »


How easy is that to say from a country that doesn't value guns over human life?
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« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2018, 08:50:54 AM »

How easy is that to say from a country that doesn't value guns over human life?
Exactly one letter easier.
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« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2018, 10:14:26 AM »

We all know what the word "complicit" means right? 

Complicity is the participation in a completed criminal act of an accomplice, a partner in the crime who aids or encourages (abets) other perpetrators of that crime, and who shared with them an intent to act to complete the crime.

You'd have to be a real idiot (or more likely, so blinded by biases that it's a huge waste of time for everybody to discuss politics with you) to think that fits the GOP.
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« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2018, 10:57:23 AM »

The title says it all.

Personally, what I don't get is that the members of the Republican party will march and speak in support of a bakery refusing service to a gay couple, but will shrug and say "It happens" when a school is shot up.

The biggest issue with this reasoning is that one of your examples, the gay wedding cake one, is an issue where there is considerable disagreement about what the law should be. In contrast, everyone already agrees it should be illegal to shoot up a school. That's not a minor distinction. So it's pretty hard to see what comparison/argument is actually being made here.

We all know what the word "complicit" means right? 

Complicity is the participation in a completed criminal act of an accomplice, a partner in the crime who aids or encourages (abets) other perpetrators of that crime, and who shared with them an intent to act to complete the crime.

You'd have to be a real idiot (or more likely, so blinded by biases that it's a huge waste of time for everybody to discuss politics with you) to think that fits the GOP.
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« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2018, 11:10:43 AM »

If so, then Democrats in support of sanctuary cities are complicit in every crime committed by illegal immigrants within them.
Anyone supportive of the current laws on immigration is complicit in every crime committed by legal immigrants.
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« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2018, 11:49:37 AM »

No, but ThatConservativeGuy's argument is really weak.
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« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2018, 12:13:49 PM »

No, but ThatConservativeGuy's argument is really weak.

Yep. It's not like a particularly robust percentage of the American population has mental health issues or like we treat mental health issues in Israel, much of Europe etc better than you do in the U.S...
The only different thing is that we have gun control.
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« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2018, 12:22:24 PM »

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« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2018, 12:24:29 PM »



Personally, what I don't get is that the members of the Republican party will march and speak in support of a bakery refusing service to a gay couple, but will shrug and say "It happens" when a school is shot up.

Also, what the hell.  Those two issues aren't even comparable. 
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