Gillibrand on Late Show with Stephen Colbert

[Mr. Morden]

Gillibrand was on Colbert last night.  Here’s the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWOxjo65if0

She mentions that she’s giving up swearing for Lent.  We’ll see how that works out….

[BlueSwan]

Watched it. I still can't see the appeal. Unlike women like Hillary Clinton or Kamala Harris, she doesn't project strength. A LOT of voters intuitively gravitate towards candidates that they instictively feel can take charge and keep them safe. To me, Gillibrand does not project that. She has a chance in a democratic primary where softer values are important, but she is a tough sell in a general election.

Oh yeah, and the fact that she went from an A-rating to a F-rating from the NRA pretty much sums up Gillibrands career.

[JG]

I like how she doesn't shy away from her so-called flip flops and actually admits she was wrong when it comes to guns controls and how she changed her mind. I think she does a better job than most politicians do when explaining their change of heart or change of mind.

As for the projected strength, I actually think she projects a quiet confidence that can be reassuring to a lot of people. It can also be an advantage with older men who tend to feel threatened or uncomfortable by outwardly confident and strong women.

[Mr. Morden]

It can also be an advantage with older men who tend to feel threatened or uncomfortable by outwardly confident and strong women.

Yeah, I think I've mentioned before how there might be a generational thing going on.  Going all the way back to Elizabeth Dole's 2000 presidential campaign, she worked hard to appear as tough as possible, because she thought that she needed to do that in order to combat negative gender stereotypes.  I think Hillary Clinton was similar in that regard.

For Gillibrand's generation of female politicians though, there seems to be more recognition that women face a double bind: Appearing too tough can also inflame negative gender stereotypes in the other direction, so she's got to pull off a balancing act.  Whether she gets it right or not in that regard is something that I guess we'll find out in the next two years.

[henster]

Interesting looking at the comments on the video most are about her treatment of Franken, I think it will have a lasting impact in 2020.

[TrumpBritt24]

>Yeah! I flip-flop on topics at will, going from an A rating to an F rating from the NRA! I love just going with whatever is popular with the populace!

>cheers

This is how you lose 2020.

[MAINEiac4434]

Interesting looking at the comments on the video most are about her treatment of Franken, I think it will have a lasting impact in 2020.

People won't even remember how to spell Franken in two years.

[Mr. Smith]

>Yeah! I flip-flop on topics at will, going from an A rating to an F rating from the NRA! I love just going with whatever is popular with the populace!

>cheers

This is how you lose 2020.

Didn't affect Trump with the whole Pro-choice/life thing now did it.

[ProgressiveCanadian]

She sure is doing all the right things since refusing to take PAC money.

[America Needs R'hllor]

I like how she doesn't shy away from her so-called flip flops and actually admits she was wrong when it comes to guns controls and how she changed her mind. I think she does a better job than most politicians do when explaining their change of heart or change of mind.

As for the projected strength, I actually think she projects a quiet confidence that can be reassuring to a lot of people. It can also be an advantage with older men who tend to feel threatened or uncomfortable by outwardly confident and strong women.

Agreed. Besides, almost any Democrat can beat Trump- if Democrats shy away from nominating a woman because she doesn't appear "tough enough" or because "muh flip flops" despite most male politicians flip flopping more than the entire U.S. gymnastics Olympic team, then they aren't that much better than Republicans.

Interesting looking at the comments on the video most are about her treatment of Franken, I think it will have a lasting impact in 2020.

Also, LOL at "her treatment of Franken". Poor, poor sexual molester got treated badly by the mean woman

[MAINEiac4434]

Also, LOL at "her treatment of Franken". Poor, poor sexual molester got treated badly by the mean woman

It made me like her more. Me! I wanted to marry Al Franken.

[Jeppe]

I think her flip-flopping on guns when you continue that her constituency changed too. She went from representing people with a strong culture in Upstate New York, to also representing inner city Americans roiling from gun and gang violence in NYC. She talks about a girl that died from a stray bullet in NYC that shifted her perception of gun control, because that's when it became crushingly apparent that not everybody uses guns for sport and safely.

[BlueSwan]

Strength can be projected in ways that are not necessarily stereotypical masculine.

For instance, with Hillary Clinton, I felt very comfortable knowing that she would not flinch in the face of pressure. That she would keep her head cool, analyze the situation and make an informed call. Yet, at the same time, it was apparent that Hillary was a very empathic person, which is typically thought of as a feminine quality.

[Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

I see Colbert is already working on the 2024/28 field. (Gillibrand's been pretty clear on a number of occasions that she's not running in 2020)

[Liberalrocks]

Strength can be projected in ways that are not necessarily stereotypical masculine.

For instance, with Hillary Clinton, I felt very comfortable knowing that she would not flinch in the face of pressure. That she would keep her head cool, analyze the situation and make an informed call. Yet, at the same time, it was apparent that Hillary was a very empathic person, which is typically thought of as a feminine quality.

I do agree with you I think she will have to work on how she projects strength as “commander in chief” something that Clinton had but perhaps didn’t connected as well on the emotional end.

[BlueSwan]

I see Colbert is already working on the 2024/28 field. (Gillibrand's been pretty clear on a number of occasions that she's not running in 2020)

Oh, she's running in 2020. You can bet the house on it.

[Mr. Morden]

I see Colbert is already working on the 2024/28 field. (Gillibrand's been pretty clear on a number of occasions that she's not running in 2020)

Not really.  You posted her recent statement on this in the Tea Leaves thread, but as I pointed out there:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=273224.msg6063601#msg6063601

her denial wasn't really Shermanesque.  If she starts giving more forceful denials, and sticks to them for months, then we'll talk.

[sverkol]

I like how she doesn't shy away from her so-called flip flops and actually admits she was wrong when it comes to guns controls and how she changed her mind. I think she does a better job than most politicians do when explaining their change of heart or change of mind.

As for the projected strength, I actually think she projects a quiet confidence that can be reassuring to a lot of people. It can also be an advantage with older men who tend to feel threatened or uncomfortable by outwardly confident and strong women.

Agreed. Besides, almost any Democrat can beat Trump- if Democrats shy away from nominating a woman because she doesn't appear "tough enough" or because "muh flip flops" despite most male politicians flip flopping more than the entire U.S. gymnastics Olympic team, then they aren't that much better than Republicans.

Mans who flip loping losses too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbdzMLk9wHQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oThH-MNCsYw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esUTn6L0UDU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5p9erRunYLE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbTyEPZBUQY