Sanders: It's Hillary's fault that the Russians helped me

[Landslide Lyndon]

You're losing it man. Go take a chill pill.

[junior chįmp]

This thread sums up why Bernie shouldn't have said what he said. It's leading to a primary re-fighting.

That's actually an accurate summing up of how things run in the Democratic Party: Nobody say anything otherwise we'll lose. Unions should keep quiet, blacks should keep quiet, poor people should keep quiet, liberals should keep quiet , etc....

It's one thing to disagree on policy; it's another thing to fight over which side was more electable in an election that already happened just because one former 2016 candidate mentioned another 2016 candidate.

I don't care for fighting about the electability of the 2016 election....but that's all that the Clinton mafia bring up...that was their entire argument of 2016: Hillary was the only electable candidate and everyone else was a fringe lunatic who would lose (including Trump)

They couldn't beat Obama, they could barely beat Sanders and they couldn't beat dumbass Trump....yet they still won't STFU about how Hillary and Establishment trash like Biden is what's electable in 2020.

These clowns don't know anything about electability or winning elections.

[Dr. Arch]

Make it end. It's 2018. MOVE ON FOLKS.

[ProgressiveCanadian]

Users on here need to understand that Sanders has higher favorability among Democrats than Clinton, get used to it

[Holy Unifying Centrist]

Users on here need to understand that a muslim socialist (Obama) and a moderate neoliberal (Biden) have higher favorables than Bernie.

[America Needs R'hllor]

It's a shame Hillary won't stop dividing the Democratic Party

In this case, Sanders is the one bringing it up though. Stop deflecting blame.

That's what Hillary's been doing since she lost

Sure, but Sanders still shouldn't bring up Clinton period unless she attacks him directly publicly.  

Why not...attacking the Clinton's endears you to Americans of all political stripe

You said that Clinton should stop dividing the party, then you said that it's fine to attack her since it endears you to Americans. You're not making any sense.
Again, I swear that people would do anything to demonize Hillary and paint her as literally Satan who's to blame for everything. It's ridiculous, and a shame that, for all her faults, the most successful woman ever in American politics is treated in that sexist manner.

[ProgressiveCanadian]

Users on here need to understand that a muslim socialist (Obama) and a moderate neoliberal (Biden) have higher favorables than Bernie.

How mature. I don't believe this thread was about Biden or Obama.

[JG]

I mean, Hillary did try to do something about it though? She brought it up many times during the campaign that Russians were trying to interfere in the elections. The one who really dropped the ball was Obama.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Sanders does cleanup.
Which is strange since according to Mondale and the other bros he was absolutely correct and only the neoliberal shills thought his original statement was wrong.

[fluffypanther19]

retarded thread.

Make it end. It's 2018. MOVE ON FOLKS.

[Mr. Morden]

Jeff Weaver offers a Trump-esque response:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/21/bernie-sanders-trump-russia-interference-420528

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[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Starting a new cold war to smear Bernie shows how terrible the Democratic party is.

[YE]

Jeff Weaver offers a Trump-esque response:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/21/bernie-sanders-trump-russia-interference-420528

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Sanders needs to dump Weaver. He was the reason his campaign was a trainwreck in May in how he kept smearing Clinton rather than what he should have been doing and done the rest of the entire campaign - talk about actual issues.

[uti2]

This thread sums up why Bernie shouldn't have said what he said. It's leading to a primary re-fighting.

That's actually an accurate summing up of how things run in the Democratic Party: Nobody say anything otherwise we'll lose. Unions should keep quiet, blacks should keep quiet, poor people should keep quiet, liberals should keep quiet , etc....

It's one thing to disagree on policy; it's another thing to fight over which side was more electable in an election that already happened just because one former 2016 candidate mentioned another 2016 candidate.

I don't care for fighting about the electability of the 2016 election....but that's all that the Clinton mafia bring up...that was their entire argument of 2016: Hillary was the only electable candidate and everyone else was a fringe lunatic who would lose (including Trump)

They couldn't beat Obama, they could barely beat Sanders and they couldn't beat dumbass Trump....yet they still won't STFU about how Hillary and Establishment trash like Biden is what's electable in 2020.

These clowns don't know anything about electability or winning elections.

You're acting as if Obama isn't on the same side as Biden/Clinton, he may have hoodwinked naive progressives, but that doesn't change his underlying ideology.

Obama was smart enough to foresee the Left (in the form of Warren or Sanders) would cause 1968-level issues had he allowed for a competitive field, and so he had the field whittled down to a one-on-one early on.

Doing that averted what would've been a disastrous convention for the Democrats in which the losses would've been worse.

[Holy Unifying Centrist]

Users on here need to understand that a muslim socialist (Obama) and a moderate neoliberal (Biden) have higher favorables than Bernie.

How mature. I don't believe this thread was about Biden or Obama.

Bernie favorability was brought up in comparison to Hillary. I'm just bringing up the fact that neoliberal Biden and socialist Obama have higher favorables than Bernie.

[junior chįmp]

It's a shame Hillary won't stop dividing the Democratic Party

In this case, Sanders is the one bringing it up though. Stop deflecting blame.

That's what Hillary's been doing since she lost

Sure, but Sanders still shouldn't bring up Clinton period unless she attacks him directly publicly.  

Why not...attacking the Clinton's endears you to Americans of all political stripe

You said that Clinton should stop dividing the party, then you said that it's fine to attack her since it endears you to Americans. You're not making any sense.
Again, I swear that people would do anything to demonize Hillary and paint her as literally Satan who's to blame for everything. It's ridiculous, and a shame that, for all her faults, the most successful woman ever in American politics is treated in that sexist manner.

The Clinton's are divisive just by their sheer existence. If they want to open their mouths, despite being despised by huge  swaths of the American electorate, then they should be attacked appropriately especially when they are so full of shít and hypocritical. America wants them gone. That's why they they keep losing and in Hillary's case lost twice.

The only reason it was "her turn" was because the Clinton's basically owned the DNC and because her pathetic husband, with this third way garbage, hollowed out the party to the point it was unelectable in 36 lower state legislatures so there was nobody within the party itself to run other than an old Jewish Socialist and Lincoln Chaffee.

Sanders does cleanup.
Which is strange since according to Mondale and the other bros he was absolutely correct and only the neoliberal shills thought his original statement was wrong.

Sanders is obviously wrong. He should learn to clean up like Hillary cleans up after her husband's never ending sexual assault escapades: character assassinate the victims, sue to victims, intimidate the victims, blame the victims. Or maybe Sanders should cover for Weaver the way Hillary covered for her sexually harrasing campaign staff (no, not Bill) and keep them employed while transferring them to another department. So much amazing leadership from the most successful woman in American politics.

Users on here need to understand that a muslim socialist (Obama) and a moderate neoliberal (Biden) have higher favorables than Bernie.

How mature. I don't believe this thread was about Biden or Obama.

Bernie favorability was brought up in comparison to Hillary. I'm just bringing up the fact that neoliberal Biden and socialist Obama have higher favorables than Bernie.

That favorably did them alot if good in 2010, 2014, and 2016. Democrats are so incompetitive, they can't even get elected at all in half the states. Democrats can't even get their voters to turnout. The party holds people like Obama and Clinton up as beacons of electability yet these people have caused turnout to drop to such abysmal levels that right wing nutcases have been getting elected all over the place for the last 2 decades. Hmmm... It's almost as if voters don't care for a politician if they don't do anything for them other then look good.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

It's a shame Hillary won't stop dividing the Democratic Party

In this case, Sanders is the one bringing it up though. Stop deflecting blame.

That's what Hillary's been doing since she lost

Sure, but Sanders still shouldn't bring up Clinton period unless she attacks him directly publicly.  

Why not...attacking the Clinton's endears you to Americans of all political stripe

You said that Clinton should stop dividing the party, then you said that it's fine to attack her since it endears you to Americans. You're not making any sense.
Again, I swear that people would do anything to demonize Hillary and paint her as literally Satan who's to blame for everything. It's ridiculous, and a shame that, for all her faults, the most successful woman ever in American politics is treated in that sexist manner.

Ever hear of the boy that cried wolf? Hillary hacks like you crying sexism like Harvey Weinstein did will make people not take actual sexism seriously any more.

https://ntknetwork.com/flashback-weinstein-says-he-supports-democrats-because-they-share-his-values/

[Pyro]

He clarified. Can this thread end now?

[Hollywood]

Democrats... Why all the excuses?  I would call it a likelihood that she was involved in corrupting the democratic process during the Democrat primary, or at least knew and gave it her blessing.  It's not a conspiracy.  There's enough evidence out there pointing towards her.  I mean it was ridiculous enough when they replaced DWS with Donna Brazille to bring fairness to the process.  The only thing that could have made things worse is if they then replaced Donna with Paul Begalla and then replaced him with James Carvel Ice Cream. 

You guys have a problem within your party that you don't want to address.  Look at the simple contradictions: they can't address the issue because Hillary is relevant in the election against Trump and they can't address the issue after the election because Hillary is irrelevant and were all having a pity party?  She's relevant.  In fact, check this out.  I have stronger and more immediate scientific proof that Clinton is relevant than Climate Scientists have to support man-made global warming, and everyone in this thread can see and experience it for themselves.  WE ARE ALL TALKING ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON AND THEREFORE SHE IS RELEVANT.  Bernie Sanders is talking about Hillary Clinton.  Hillary Clinton is still involved in politics.  She remains a player in the Democrat Party, and potential candidate and executive branch official.  There is a special counsel investigating Russian collusion into the election.  Hillary Clinton was a candidate in that election.  The same goes with God.  God might not be real, but God is relevant.   

Let's just get it out in the open.  Some you don't care and some of you are willing to excuse corrupt behavior if its for the greater good.  Why must we play these games? 

[Hollywood]

Users on here need to understand that a muslim socialist (Obama) and a moderate neoliberal (Biden) have higher favorables than Bernie.

How mature. I don't believe this thread was about Biden or Obama.

Bernie favorability was brought up in comparison to Hillary. I'm just bringing up the fact that neoliberal Biden and socialist Obama have higher favorables than Bernie.

I'll give you credit.  It was a good point and I saw where you were going.  It could have lead to an interesting conversation until it was derailed.  Tensions are high in this thread for no reason.  Nobody should be this passionate about Hillary Clinton.

[TheLeftwardTide]

If I were a Republican, I'd be laying back in my armchair eating popcorn while reading this thread.

That said, yeah this was a gaffe (not Sanders's worst, IMO) and a dumb thing to say. Regardless, the Sanders wing still needs to overthrow these neoliberal DINOs running the party at the moment, in order to restore working-class values back into the Democratic Party. How it would be done...I don't specifically know, outside of getting economic progressives to participate more in the political process, take over county-level parties, etc.

[Holmes]

Sanders' original comment was pretty crappy, but his statement was good.

And if he runs again, he needs to dump Weaver.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Starting a new cold war to smear Bernie shows how terrible the Democratic party is.

Put down the laptop and make an appointment with a psychiatrist.

[Mr. Smith]

You're losing it man. Go take a chill pill.

Any deeper down the mine and you'll hit the Balrog

[CookieDamage]

I wonder how Bernie is gonna win in 2020 when his base is little more than increasingly delusional, rude, combative morons like Gen Mondale and jfern?