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Question: Most Conservative?
#1Andrew Jackson  
#2Grover Cleveland  
#3Woodrow Wilson  
#4FDR  
#5Truman (included because he's close)  
#6LBJ (Ditto)  
#7Bill Clinton  
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« on: February 21, 2018, 08:22:49 pm »

Which Democratic 2-term President was the most Conservative/right-wing?

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« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2018, 08:29:28 pm »

You are missing someone obvious.
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« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2018, 08:31:35 pm »

Cleveland pretty easily
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« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2018, 08:32:10 pm »

You are missing someone obvious.
I mean does it even make a difference
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« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2018, 08:35:38 pm »

FDR was not a two term President.
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« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2018, 08:41:05 pm »

FDR was not a two term President.
he probably just means 1+ term presidents
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« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2018, 09:03:55 pm »

This is how I would rank them (from most conservative to liberal)


1. Grover Cleveland
2. Bill Clinton



3. Andrew Jackson
4. Barack Obama
5. Harry Truman
6. Woodrow Wilson
7. FDR
8. LBJ
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« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2018, 09:05:47 pm »

Cleveland I suppose (but not on foreign policy).
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« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2018, 10:49:32 pm »

Clinton is by far the most conservative from the last 90 years, but obviously Jackson and Cleveland are the most conservative.
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« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2018, 10:57:03 pm »

Obviously Jackson or Cleveland but the party was completely different 100+ years ago. Bill Clinton would be the viet answer given he moved the party to the right.
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« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2018, 05:11:12 am »

Cleveland, though he was a reformer in terms of ethics and such. I would note that Andrew Jackson was too anti-business to be a conservative. He was more of a frontier populist.
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« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2018, 05:20:20 am »

Voted Jackson because, with all due respect to fiscal conservativism, this guy's cultural conservativism reached genocide levels.
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« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2018, 04:43:33 pm »

Voted Jackson because, with all due respect to fiscal conservativism, this guy's cultural conservativism reached genocide levels.
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« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2018, 06:56:33 pm »

Bill Clinton and Al Gore may have moved the party to the right on economic issues, but they also moved it to the left on social issues. In other words, they were probably ideal from a donor perspective.
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« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2018, 07:05:07 pm »

Bill Clinton and Al Gore may have moved the party to the right on economic issues, but they also moved it to the left on social issues. In other words, they were probably ideal from a donor perspective.

Whether intentional or not, the Lewinsky scandal did have on impact on society at large. Not to mention Gore's views on the environment, etc.
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« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2018, 07:14:23 pm »

Cleveland pretty easily
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« Reply #16 on: February 22, 2018, 08:06:26 pm »

Cleveland. Jackson was on the left.
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« Reply #17 on: February 22, 2018, 10:48:21 pm »

Jackson was the most conservative president period.
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« Reply #18 on: February 22, 2018, 10:51:16 pm »

You are missing someone obvious.
Grover Cleveland?
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« Reply #19 on: February 22, 2018, 11:34:19 pm »

Cleveland by far.

Jackson was the most conservative president period.

Oh, I didn't know firing staff because of terrible gossip directed towards one woman over a marriage was considered conservative.


Actually, that's pretty socially progressive compared to what most people would've done during that time period.
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« Reply #20 on: February 23, 2018, 09:38:04 pm »

Voted Jackson because, with all due respect to fiscal conservativism, this guy's cultural conservativism reached genocide levels.

All in service to the common (white) man.
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« Reply #21 on: February 23, 2018, 09:43:10 pm »

Voted Jackson because, with all due respect to fiscal conservativism, this guy's cultural conservativism reached genocide levels.

All in service to the common (white) man.
Andrew Jackson was a majoritarian. He felt that the majority should always get their way, even if that meant harming a minority. This contrasts with egalitarianism, which means protecting minorities from the bigotry of the majority.
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« Reply #22 on: February 23, 2018, 10:33:37 pm »

Voted Jackson because, with all due respect to fiscal conservativism, this guy's cultural conservativism reached genocide levels.

All in service to the common (white) man.
Andrew Jackson was a majoritarian. He felt that the majority should always get their way, even if that meant harming a minority. This contrasts with egalitarianism, which means protecting minorities from the bigotry of the majority.

I don't think that's a fair description of Jackson's majoritarianism.  Obviously if a big state like New York wanted to take away the rights of people from Tennessee, he wouldn't be down with that.  Jacksonianism as a political tradition involves a fierce commitment to individual rights and opposition to elitism. Egalitarianism means equality, and Jackson believed in equality.  The key question is who this equality extended to: Who are considered a part of the community who's rights must be respected, and who are outside of this community?  For Jackson, it was the whites.  And so protecting the interest of the smallholder white farmer meant clearing space for them to make a good living and set themselves up as free and independent people. The Whig opponents of Jackson's Indian policy had a more expensive view of whose humanity America had a moral responsibility to respect, even though they often had a more conservative understanding of equality.
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« Reply #23 on: February 23, 2018, 10:47:30 pm »

This is how I would rank them (from most conservative to liberal)


1. Grover Cleveland
2. Bill Clinton



3. Andrew Jackson
4. Barack Obama
5. Harry Truman
6. Woodrow Wilson
7. FDR
8. LBJ
LMAO. Get out of here.
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« Reply #24 on: February 23, 2018, 11:41:51 pm »

Cleveland. Jackson was on the left.
This. I think people need to look at Jackson besides just focusing on the genocide.
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