Trump: Guns for teachers will end school shootings

[Dr. Arch]

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Don't forget the 4-year degree (minimum), certification required, 2+ years teaching experience, validation test may be required depending on the state, will be attacked constantly by the same party that thinks you need to have a gun on school grounds.

[Dr. Arch]

He's doubled down because no one else has a more sensible idea that will actually, and immediately, make schools safer for children that are forced to go to them.

A lot of folks here are for gun control because they don't like guns, and they don't like the NRA because it's a GOP interest group.  They really don't care about the safety of schoolchildren because they're now out of high school, but they don't have kids to think about yet.  It's mere politics for them now.  For some of us, however, this issue involves thinking of the safety of lives we are specifically responsible for.  We're playing for keeps, not just to win an argument that will help our favorite candidate win.

This is ridiculous. High school students don't care about their own safety? Come on.

Agreed. We just want to feel friggin safe. I'm not a high school student, but I teach. It's always lingering in the back of my mind, and my parents are pretty much perpetually concerned nowadays, seeing that they consider that the mainland is now "the place where they let their own children massacre each other over taking action."

[Dr. Arch]

Trump claims that schools are "frankly no different" than military bases.


Link: https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/966740294556438528

P.S. Couldn't get the Twitter embed to work.

[Dr. Arch]

Trump claims that schools are "frankly no different" than military bases.


Link: https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/966740294556438528

P.S. Couldn't get the Twitter embed to work.

Is Trump wrong?

Yes, and so are any supporters who find the idea of arming underpaid educators in schools attractive in any way. In fact, one of the teachers in the Parkland school is a registered Republican and voted for Trump, and she said that idea was way too much for her to support. His voters wanted "America First," but I'm sure they didn't want that reinforced through stupid policy ideas. Then again, maybe not, considering who they voted for.

[Dr. Arch]

Trump claims that schools are "frankly no different" than military bases.


Link: https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/966740294556438528

P.S. Couldn't get the Twitter embed to work.

Is Trump wrong?

Yes, and so are any supporters who find the idea of arming underpaid educators in schools attractive in any way. In fact, one of the teachers in the Parkland school is a registered Republican and voted for Trump, and she said that idea was way too much for her to support. His voters wanted "America First," but I'm sure they didn't want that reinforced through stupid policy ideas. Then again, maybe not, considering who they voted for.

I should say that I had the idea of arming teachers before Trump espoused it.  I found it kind of amazing that a President would think, independently, of a controversial policy idea that no one I knew of, outside of myself, was advocating until Trump made his statement.  Some would argue that it's perhaps time for an Alzheimers checkup on my part if I'm THAT in sync with Trump.  I get that; the proposal, at first blush, seems over the top.  I have reservations about the idea myself (although I do have something of a coherent idea as to how to implement such a plan).  I do believe that lots of other folks have had the idea to arm teachers, but have viewed it as too over the top to fly until now, and didn't think any serious political figure would bite.  I certainly respect the opposite point of view on this question, but I don't think the idea should be dismissed out of hand.

I do think that parents have the right to believe that their children are as safe at their local public school as they are at a military base, and that they shouldn't have to factor in the dysfunctional and malevolent students into the equation before lowering their expectation.  We are so far from that ideal that it isn't funny.  And you won't get honest feedback about what actually goes on in public schools because everyone is shielded by privacy laws.  Yes, I get it that you don't want Mr. Jones to go over to little Bobby Smith's father and coldcock Bobby's Dad because Bobby coldcocked litle Timmy Jones in the cafeteria that day, but privacy laws do more to protect schools from litigation than they do to protect students from physical and psychological harm.  Trump gets it.  And he gets it that this event in Parkland is an opportunity for a gun grab by folks who have made disarming law-abiding Americans their goal in life.  

So the solution is more guns? You're a fool.

[Dr. Arch]

I agree with the consensus that this will not be a solution but some of the criticisms here are rather silly as well. Nobody proposed forcing teachers to be armed, only allowing those teachers who wanted to. So no sweet old lady teacher would be forced to have a gun. Also they surely would have to be locked up, it wouldn’t just like be sitting on a desk or in a holster for God’s sake. Get a grip people. Oppose a policy on its merits or lack thereoff, don’t just spout nonsense.

So, you're saying that the GOP's actual proposal to stop all school shooting is that some teachers and other school employees will have a gun locked up somewhere? So that when a shooting is in progress, they can just go mosey on over to their gun locker - while the gunman patiently waits - then, in a state of complete calm, open the locker, ready their weapon, and then fire some of those magic bullets that will find the prospective shooter and kill them (and only them), without forcing the now-armed school employee to conduct a frantic hunt for them.

Anyone who thinks "arm the teachers" is anything other than moronic is, themselves, so stupid they ought to be found legally incompetent to conduct their own affairs.

Learn the concept of nuance my friend. I never said it was a good solution. Actually I said it wasn’t. I just think a policy should be considered honestly rather than demagogued. You are correct in stating that it isn’t a practical solution. It might at the very least be something that makes shooters less brazen though. One of the reasons schools are chosen is because they are easy targets.

Most folks here have one agenda; to disarm law abiding citizens and take their guns, along with their right to keep and bear arms.  That's their bottom line.  

I'm willing to be proven wrong.  Much has been said about Trump being a demogogue over arming teachers, but there is a degree of demogoguing the gun control issue as well.  

I'm not sure who you're talking about, but I have NEVER advocated to disarm everyone. Of course, you're welcome to beat up as many straw men as you like.

[Dr. Arch]

I agree with the consensus that this will not be a solution but some of the criticisms here are rather silly as well. Nobody proposed forcing teachers to be armed, only allowing those teachers who wanted to. So no sweet old lady teacher would be forced to have a gun. Also they surely would have to be locked up, it wouldn’t just like be sitting on a desk or in a holster for God’s sake. Get a grip people. Oppose a policy on its merits or lack thereoff, don’t just spout nonsense.

So, you're saying that the GOP's actual proposal to stop all school shooting is that some teachers and other school employees will have a gun locked up somewhere? So that when a shooting is in progress, they can just go mosey on over to their gun locker - while the gunman patiently waits - then, in a state of complete calm, open the locker, ready their weapon, and then fire some of those magic bullets that will find the prospective shooter and kill them (and only them), without forcing the now-armed school employee to conduct a frantic hunt for them.

Anyone who thinks "arm the teachers" is anything other than moronic is, themselves, so stupid they ought to be found legally incompetent to conduct their own affairs.

Learn the concept of nuance my friend. I never said it was a good solution. Actually I said it wasn’t. I just think a policy should be considered honestly rather than demagogued. You are correct in stating that it isn’t a practical solution. It might at the very least be something that makes shooters less brazen though. One of the reasons schools are chosen is because they are easy targets.

Most folks here have one agenda; to disarm law abiding citizens and take their guns, along with their right to keep and bear arms.  That's their bottom line. 

I'm willing to be proven wrong.  Much has been said about Trump being a demogogue over arming teachers, but there is a degree of demogoguing the gun control issue as well. 

I'm not sure who you're talking about, but I have NEVER advocated to disarm everyone. Of course, you're welcome to beat up as many straw men as you like.

Do you wish to disarm me?  If "yes", to what extent?

Unless you have mental health issues or a violent criminal record, no. I want control on what people can arm themselves with (thinking about bump stocks), how fast they do it (not immediately/waiting period), closing the ridiculous gun show loop hole, and making sure there are universal background checks.