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Question: What should the country of Macedonia (FYROM) be called?
Republic of North Macedonia   -9 (17%)
Republic of Upper Macedonia   -9 (17%)
Republic of Vardar Macedonia   -9 (17%)
Republic of Macedonia (Skopje)   -12 (22.6%)
No change to the current name   -13 (24.5%)
No name including the word "Macedonia"   -1 (1.9%)
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« Reply #75 on: January 13, 2019, 06:57:42 pm »

Whatever they want to be called,  any country (cough, Greece) who says otherwise, it's none of their business
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« Reply #76 on: January 14, 2019, 04:28:47 am »

Whatever they want to be called,  any country (cough, Greece) who says otherwise, it's none of their business

I've always been part of the crowd who considered silly and unproductive the stance of our hardliners. I've always believed that some kind of name that included the term Macedonia was inevitable.

That said, these kind of aphorisms show an ignorance of not only the history of the region but also of FYROM's attempts after 1991 to appropriate Greek names and symbols in order to create a narrative about an imaginary Macedonian minority in Greece. These laughable attempts went nowhere of course but let's stop with the fairy tale that Greece's suspicion about FYROM's intentions is unfounded or mean-spirited.
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« Reply #77 on: January 22, 2019, 10:29:51 am »

Now that the North Macedonia thing has failed, they should name themselves North Greece Tongue
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« Reply #78 on: January 22, 2019, 11:04:26 am »

The Kingdom of Macedonia.  Make it a monarchy.
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« Reply #79 on: January 22, 2019, 02:08:55 pm »

Now that the North Macedonia thing has failed, they should name themselves North Greece Tongue

What do you mean it has failed?
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« Reply #80 on: January 23, 2019, 05:26:43 pm »

Now that the North Macedonia thing has failed, they should name themselves North Greece Tongue

What are you talking about? It passed in FYROM and it will pass tomorrow from the Greek parliament too.
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« Reply #81 on: January 23, 2019, 06:53:49 pm »

Now that the North Macedonia thing has failed, they should name themselves North Greece Tongue

What are you talking about? It passed in FYROM and it will pass tomorrow from the Greek parliament too.

Wait I thought the Greek government had collapsed precisely because of this?
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« Reply #82 on: January 24, 2019, 02:17:53 am »

Now that the North Macedonia thing has failed, they should name themselves North Greece Tongue

What are you talking about? It passed in FYROM and it will pass tomorrow from the Greek parliament too.

Wait I thought the Greek government had collapsed precisely because of this?

No, the Greek government lost its far-right coalition partner but narrowly survived a confidence vote.
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« Reply #83 on: January 24, 2019, 08:47:23 pm »

Whatever gets them into the EU and NATO most easily within reason. Locking in prosperity, political openness, and geopolitical security is much more important for the people than any nationalist squabbles. I'm happy with this compromise, though I will say the Greeks are the more unreasonable party here.
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« Reply #84 on: January 25, 2019, 10:53:34 am »

The agreement passed the Greek parliament 153-146.
It's over.
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« Reply #85 on: January 25, 2019, 11:06:43 am »

Credit where it's due to both countries for getting it done.
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« Reply #86 on: January 25, 2019, 11:14:39 am »

The agreement passed the Greek parliament 153-146.
It's over.

Excellent news! Disappointing it's so close, but all's well that ends well.
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« Reply #87 on: January 25, 2019, 11:58:45 am »

The agreement passed the Greek parliament 153-146.
It's over.

Would ND repeal this when they come to power in the next election? Or is it a "settled issue"?
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« Reply #88 on: January 25, 2019, 07:45:19 pm »

The agreement passed the Greek parliament 153-146.
It's over.

Would ND repeal this when they come to power in the next election? Or is it a "settled issue"?

This is an international agreement, it's not something you can just repeal and be done with it.
They'll say so and just move on.
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« Reply #89 on: January 26, 2019, 12:37:45 pm »

The agreement passed the Greek parliament 153-146.
It's over.

Would ND repeal this when they come to power in the next election? Or is it a "settled issue"?

This is an international agreement, it's not something you can just repeal and be done with it.
They'll say so and just move on.

Tell that to Dump.
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« Reply #90 on: January 27, 2019, 05:59:11 am »

We can stop calling Greece "Former Ottoman Region of Yunanistan".

As you know, in contrast to Greece, Macedonia has actually quite progressive policy on linguistic minorities.
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« Reply #91 on: January 27, 2019, 07:26:30 am »

The agreement passed the Greek parliament 153-146.
It's over.

Technically it's not until Greece formally assents to their accession to NATO.
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« Reply #92 on: February 08, 2019, 04:54:04 pm »

And now the denouement - Greek parliament officially ratifies (North) Macedonia's accession to NATO.

https://www.ft.com/content/a3bf9a16-2be4-11e9-a5ab-ff8ef2b976c7
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« Reply #93 on: February 08, 2019, 08:28:26 pm »

We can stop calling Greece "Former Ottoman Region of Yunanistan".

As you know, in contrast to Greece, Macedonia has actually quite progressive policy on linguistic minorities.

You do realize that ancient Greece was a thing 2000 years before the Ottoman Empire, right? lol
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« Reply #94 on: February 09, 2019, 03:13:15 am »

Fyrom.
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« Reply #95 on: February 09, 2019, 06:05:52 am »

The Greek parliament ratified (North) Macedonia's NATO accession protocol yesterday, 153-140.  The name change will thus come into effect on 15 February 2019.

Opposition New Democracy (ND) leader Mitsotakis announced he would "not forgo the right to veto MK's EU accession" - which probably means that the EU accession vote will have to be scheduled with any Greek elections in mind. It's not as if ND is particularly principled.
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« Reply #96 on: February 09, 2019, 09:45:01 am »

The Greek parliament ratified (North) Macedonia's NATO accession protocol yesterday, 153-140.  The name change will thus come into effect on 15 February 2019.

Opposition New Democracy (ND) leader Mitsotakis announced he would "not forgo the right to veto MK's EU accession" - which probably means that the EU accession vote will have to be scheduled with any Greek elections in mind. It's not as if ND is particularly principled.

new democracy are really putin's puppets
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« Reply #97 on: February 09, 2019, 11:18:16 am »

The Greek parliament ratified (North) Macedonia's NATO accession protocol yesterday, 153-140.  The name change will thus come into effect on 15 February 2019.

Opposition New Democracy (ND) leader Mitsotakis announced he would "not forgo the right to veto MK's EU accession" - which probably means that the EU accession vote will have to be scheduled with any Greek elections in mind. It's not as if ND is particularly principled.

new democracy are really putin's puppets

Not really. More like business partners on that one specific issue. (Being Putin's puppet is a temporary status, and the "traditional" Russia-friendly party in Greece used to be PASOK, not ND.)
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