HOUSE BILL: Atlasian Transportation Access Act (Failed)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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Atlasian People's House of Representatives
pending
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Sponsor: Politicalmasta73
House Designation: HB 1201

[Bidenworth2020]

does anyone have any potential edits.

[GM Team Member and Senator WB]

This helps everyone, but most especially the lower and middle working classes. I support it.

[Sirius_]

Not in the house but I endorse this bill.

[fhtagn]

While I agree that this bill could be wonderful with enough work, this seems more like a bill that is best submitted at the regional level, as the federal government doesn't have the authority to actually do this.

On top of that, there are concerns about how much this costs and how it is funded. Is it coming from the existing Department of Transportation budget? Because that could take away from much more important work such as improving highway infrastructure, improving safety regulations, etc. And if it adds to DoT spending, where does the money come from? (which going back to my previous point, is something that should be asked if the regions take it up, since the federal government can't do what this bill is trying to do).

[Sirius_]

While I agree that this bill could be wonderful with enough work, this seems more like a bill that is best submitted at the regional level, as the federal government doesn't have the authority to actually do this.

On top of that, there are concerns about how much this costs and how it is funded. Is it coming from the existing Department of Transportation budget? Because that could take away from much more important work such as improving highway infrastructure, improving safety regulations, etc. And if it adds to DoT spending, where does the money come from? (which going back to my previous point, is something that should be asked if the regions take it up, since the federal government can't do what this bill is trying to do).

If that is the case, I would be willing to introduce a bill like this in Lincoln.

[Bidenworth2020]

While I agree that this bill could be wonderful with enough work, this seems more like a bill that is best submitted at the regional level, as the federal government doesn't have the authority to actually do this.

On top of that, there are concerns about how much this costs and how it is funded. Is it coming from the existing Department of Transportation budget? Because that could take away from much more important work such as improving highway infrastructure, improving safety regulations, etc. And if it adds to DoT spending, where does the money come from? (which going back to my previous point, is something that should be asked if the regions take it up, since the federal government can't do what this bill is trying to do).

this bill was modeled to give regions most of the power over deciding the specifics, and split the bill about 60/40 region/federal, which I clumsily left out. I'll add the section.

[Esteemed Jimmy]

Not in the house but I endorse this bill.

[Bidenworth2020]

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House Designation: HB 1201
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[fhtagn]

While I agree that this bill could be wonderful with enough work, this seems more like a bill that is best submitted at the regional level, as the federal government doesn't have the authority to actually do this.

On top of that, there are concerns about how much this costs and how it is funded. Is it coming from the existing Department of Transportation budget? Because that could take away from much more important work such as improving highway infrastructure, improving safety regulations, etc. And if it adds to DoT spending, where does the money come from? (which going back to my previous point, is something that should be asked if the regions take it up, since the federal government can't do what this bill is trying to do).

this bill was modeled to give regions most of the power over deciding the specifics, and split the bill about 60/40 region/federal, which I clumsily left out. I'll add the section.

Cutting the price of bus fares/setting the price is something that the federal government doesn't have the authority to do. That's something that would be decided at regional/local levels.

[Bidenworth2020]

While I agree that this bill could be wonderful with enough work, this seems more like a bill that is best submitted at the regional level, as the federal government doesn't have the authority to actually do this.

On top of that, there are concerns about how much this costs and how it is funded. Is it coming from the existing Department of Transportation budget? Because that could take away from much more important work such as improving highway infrastructure, improving safety regulations, etc. And if it adds to DoT spending, where does the money come from? (which going back to my previous point, is something that should be asked if the regions take it up, since the federal government can't do what this bill is trying to do).

this bill was modeled to give regions most of the power over deciding the specifics, and split the bill about 60/40 region/federal, which I clumsily left out. I'll add the section.

Cutting the price of bus fares/setting the price is something that the federal government doesn't have the authority to do. That's something that would be decided at regional/local levels.

Says who? I guess I could let the regions decide exactly the percentage discount.

[wxtransit]

In this respect, only the local transportation authority has the power to set/change prices and offer discounts. Not even the regions have the authority to set the prices, as transportation authorities are private companies and the government would be out of its jurisdiction (and the government shouldn't be meddling with private companies, anyways).

[Sirius_]

In this respect, only the local transportation authority has the power to set/change prices and offer discounts. Not even the regions have the authority to set the prices, as transportation authorities are private companies and the government would be out of its jurisdiction (and the government shouldn't be meddling with private companies, anyways).

Not all bus services are private. In the case of private companies, the government can subsidise them or purchase bus passes and distribute them to citizens.

[wxtransit]

In this respect, only the local transportation authority has the power to set/change prices and offer discounts. Not even the regions have the authority to set the prices, as transportation authorities are private companies and the government would be out of its jurisdiction (and the government shouldn't be meddling with private companies, anyways).

Not all bus services are private. In the case of private companies, the government can subsidise them or purchase bus passes and distribute them to citizens.

So you're proposing for the government to take over private companies and run them?

[Sirius_]

In this respect, only the local transportation authority has the power to set/change prices and offer discounts. Not even the regions have the authority to set the prices, as transportation authorities are private companies and the government would be out of its jurisdiction (and the government shouldn't be meddling with private companies, anyways).

Not all bus services are private. In the case of private companies, the government can subsidise them or purchase bus passes and distribute them to citizens.

So you're proposing for the government to take over private companies and run them?

Do you understand what a subsidy is?

[wxtransit]

In this respect, only the local transportation authority has the power to set/change prices and offer discounts. Not even the regions have the authority to set the prices, as transportation authorities are private companies and the government would be out of its jurisdiction (and the government shouldn't be meddling with private companies, anyways).

Not all bus services are private. In the case of private companies, the government can subsidise them or purchase bus passes and distribute them to citizens.

So you're proposing for the government to take over private companies and run them?

Do you understand what a subsidy is?

I read it wrong, I thought you meant to subsidize the company. And, in this respect, governments already subsidize fares; in fact, fares would not be what they were without it, and you're proposing to lower them more. The government can't responsibly pay to subsidize the fares further.

[Sirius_]

In this respect, only the local transportation authority has the power to set/change prices and offer discounts. Not even the regions have the authority to set the prices, as transportation authorities are private companies and the government would be out of its jurisdiction (and the government shouldn't be meddling with private companies, anyways).

Not all bus services are private. In the case of private companies, the government can subsidise them or purchase bus passes and distribute them to citizens.

So you're proposing for the government to take over private companies and run them?

Do you understand what a subsidy is?

I read it wrong, I thought you meant to subsidize the company. And, in this respect, governments already subsidize fares; in fact, fares would not be what they were without it, and you're proposing to lower them more. The government can't responsibly pay to subsidize the fares further.

Ok. I get concerns about how much this would cost but it most certainly wouldn't take over the company.

[wxtransit]

In this respect, only the local transportation authority has the power to set/change prices and offer discounts. Not even the regions have the authority to set the prices, as transportation authorities are private companies and the government would be out of its jurisdiction (and the government shouldn't be meddling with private companies, anyways).

Not all bus services are private. In the case of private companies, the government can subsidise them or purchase bus passes and distribute them to citizens.

So you're proposing for the government to take over private companies and run them?

Do you understand what a subsidy is?

I read it wrong, I thought you meant to subsidize the company. And, in this respect, governments already subsidize fares; in fact, fares would not be what they were without it, and you're proposing to lower them more. The government can't responsibly pay to subsidize the fares further.

Ok. I get concerns about how much this would cost but it most certainly wouldn't take over the company.

Yes, of course. My concern here is that the government can't afford to continually subsidize fares.

[Bidenworth2020]

ANy thoughts on me forming this into a subsidy bill for private companies to reek the rewards of?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The subsidies don't necessarily have to go to the bus companies directly (and remember a number of them are municipal and state owned as well). You could have a system like Food stamps that follows the person if that makes sense. This is also similar to the way that we did healthcare and that way, the companies still have to provide decent service because they aren't assured to get that money.

[wxtransit]

The subsidies don't necessarily have to go to the bus companies directly (and remember a number of them are municipal and state owned as well). You could have a system like Food stamps that follows the person if that makes sense. This is also similar to the way that we did healthcare and that way, the companies still have to provide decent service because they aren't assured to get that money.

I agree with this plan.

[Bidenworth2020]

The subsidies don't necessarily have to go to the bus companies directly (and remember a number of them are municipal and state owned as well). You could have a system like Food stamps that follows the person if that makes sense. This is also similar to the way that we did healthcare and that way, the companies still have to provide decent service because they aren't assured to get that money.

I agree with this plan.

[fhtagn]

The subsidies don't necessarily have to go to the bus companies directly (and remember a number of them are municipal and state owned as well). You could have a system like Food stamps that follows the person if that makes sense. This is also similar to the way that we did healthcare and that way, the companies still have to provide decent service because they aren't assured to get that money.

Even with this considered, this bill still seems like something that is better suited for regional legislature rather than handled at the federal level.

[Bidenworth2020]

The subsidies don't necessarily have to go to the bus companies directly (and remember a number of them are municipal and state owned as well). You could have a system like Food stamps that follows the person if that makes sense. This is also similar to the way that we did healthcare and that way, the companies still have to provide decent service because they aren't assured to get that money.

Even with this considered, this bill still seems like something that is better suited for regional legislature rather than handled at the federal level.

the bill is modeled to give region the control.

[fhtagn]

The subsidies don't necessarily have to go to the bus companies directly (and remember a number of them are municipal and state owned as well). You could have a system like Food stamps that follows the person if that makes sense. This is also similar to the way that we did healthcare and that way, the companies still have to provide decent service because they aren't assured to get that money.

Even with this considered, this bill still seems like something that is better suited for regional legislature rather than handled at the federal level.

the bill is modeled to give region the control.

This bill has the Federal government covering 60% of the cost and setting the prices of bus fares. The only thing it gives the regions is that they only cover 40% of the cost and they get to set environmental criteria. That's not giving the regions control.