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« on: March 19, 2018, 10:37:01 PM »

I was thinking about this today, that Christian movie "I Can Only Imagine" is a huge sleeper hit. And it actually has half decent reviews unlike most. But why is there no real equivalent to my type of Christian music amongst movies? They're always very squeaky clean and geared to a Bushie-esque audience, like those lame Kirk Cameron ones. I mean yeah I get they probably won't have explicit sex and graphic violence stuff usually, but with the MPAA's lame rating systems you could make a realistic movie with a Christian message that would be R due to the language and content. The only R-rated movies I can think of with a Christian message are The Passion of the Christ (obvious special example) and Pulp Fiction.

So why is no one making something like a Christian version of Lena Dunham's work or anything like that? I'd LOVE that.
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« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2018, 12:00:57 AM »

Because good Christian (or Christian-themed) movies aren't marketed towards boring evangelicals as "Christian movies", you won't fill buses of suburban or rural Evangelicals to watch The Passion
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« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2018, 12:53:14 AM »
« Edited: March 20, 2018, 12:56:30 AM by shua »

Have you ever seen Blue Like Jazz?



Because good Christian (or Christian-themed) movies aren't marketed towards boring evangelicals as "Christian movies", you won't fill buses of suburban or rural Evangelicals to watch The Passion


pretty sure they did.
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« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2018, 07:00:31 AM »

Pulp Fiction?
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« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2018, 10:53:09 AM »


You can't see the Christian message in that movie?
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« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2018, 10:57:27 AM »


I usually superimpose a Christian interpretation onto movies, but nothing had even occurred to me with Pulp Fiction. Care to explain? I know Samuel L. Jackson has the misremembered Bible quote...
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« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2018, 11:18:50 AM »

He is saved by divine intervention, accepts it as a second chance and redeems himself.
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« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2018, 12:02:51 PM »

Because most Christians are clean and lame.
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« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2018, 12:09:49 PM »


If anything is problematic with the religion in America, it’s hypocrisy, not adherence.
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« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2018, 02:37:49 PM »


If anything is problematic with the religion in America, it’s hypocrisy, not adherence.
That's actually a good point. Look at Rand-ites who claim to be Christians yet support gutting every form of government assistance for the poor.
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« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2018, 03:22:49 PM »


If anything is problematic with the religion in America, it’s hypocrisy, not adherence.
That's actually a good point. Look at Rand-ites who claim to be Christians yet support gutting every form of government assistance for the poor.
You can’t be a Randist and a Christian. Those two things aren’t possible.
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« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2018, 04:25:54 PM »

Because they have a policy of being clean.  As for the lame part, I don't know.
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« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2018, 04:35:02 PM »

You may want to check out John Huston's "Wise Blood", based on the Flannery O'Connor novel.
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« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2018, 04:37:10 PM »

Because modern American Christianity is clean and lame. Your kind, if it is any different, is a minority.
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« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2018, 04:39:49 PM »

Kevin Smith's Dogma?  Many horror movies start with the premise that the Christian God is real (and usually Catholic) and faith is what saves the day in the end (unless the writer is lazy and we just get a generic deus ex machina type thing).


but the answer to your question has been given.  They are normally marketed to a certain type of Christian, and you ain't it.  That's like half your "thing", being the hipster Christian.  Nothing wrong with it, you be you....but don't expect mainstream things to be marketed to you.  (and why would you want that?  Nothing cool can go mainstream and stay cool.  Mainstream kills cool things.  Yes, that is hyperbolic and there are exceptions.)
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« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2018, 06:55:13 PM »

Wouldn't Lady Bird qualify as mainstream? It's a Best Picture nominee after all. And it's a movie that could've had an explicitly Christian message with just a few tweaks.
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« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2018, 09:00:34 PM »


If anything is problematic with the religion in America, it’s hypocrisy, not adherence.
That's actually a good point. Look at Rand-ites who claim to be Christians yet support gutting every form of government assistance for the poor.
You can’t be a Randist and a Christian. Those two things aren’t possible.

Many people I know believe that selfishness, competition, and advancement drive the economy forwards, as well as being Christians. That includes my brother and, to a lesser extent, my mother.
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« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2018, 09:12:01 PM »

Low budgets.
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« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2018, 09:30:53 PM »


You think artsy indie films have high budgets?
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« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2018, 09:31:29 PM »

Veggie Tales is not boring.
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« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2018, 10:03:14 PM »


If anything is problematic with the religion in America, it’s hypocrisy, not adherence.
That's actually a good point. Look at Rand-ites who claim to be Christians yet support gutting every form of government assistance for the poor.
You can’t be a Randist and a Christian. Those two things aren’t possible.

Many people I know believe that selfishness, competition, and advancement drive the economy forwards, as well as being Christians. That includes my brother and, to a lesser extent, my mother.
I myself tried to reconcile the two for years. Couldn’t be done.
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« Reply #21 on: March 22, 2018, 12:51:44 AM »

Probably a combination of a theology that doesn't have much room for doubt or irony, plus wanting to mass market to churches so trying to be as inoffensive and saccharine as possible.

I've seen a few Catholic films from European studios about the saints that recognize the ambiguities and struggle of faith to a greater degree and are good cinematically, ex, Je m'appelle Bernadette (2011) 

And as I mentioned, Blue Like Jazz, the adaptation of the book by Donald Miller and I think may be the sort of thing you are looking for BRTD.

Image Journal has some lists of films that they see as having Christian or spiritual messages:
https://imagejournal.org/read/film/
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« Reply #22 on: March 22, 2018, 01:08:11 AM »


If anything is problematic with the religion in America, it’s hypocrisy, not adherence.
That's actually a good point. Look at Rand-ites who claim to be Christians yet support gutting every form of government assistance for the poor.
You can’t be a Randist and a Christian. Those two things aren’t possible.

Thank you for coming to this realization. Smiley
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« Reply #23 on: March 22, 2018, 01:18:58 AM »
« Edited: March 22, 2018, 01:22:44 AM by WritOfCertiorari »


If anything is problematic with the religion in America, it’s hypocrisy, not adherence.
That's actually a good point. Look at Rand-ites who claim to be Christians yet support gutting every form of government assistance for the poor.
You can’t be a Randist and a Christian. Those two things aren’t possible.

Thank you for coming to this realization. Smiley
Speaking of philosophies, I think that Christianity could probably be compatible with both virtue ethics and deontology, and honestly it might qualify as a mix of both depending on which book of the Bible you look at.

The real question is whether you can be a utilitarian thinker and a Christian!
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« Reply #24 on: March 22, 2018, 01:52:57 AM »

Also BRTD, do you consider Bruce/Evan Almighty clean and lame?
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