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« Reply #25 on: April 06, 2018, 12:31:13 pm »

I know you're trolling but lmao at Kucinich being fresh and new. But I'll use this as a chance to raise a point that I don't think gets brought up enough. A governor race and a senate and presidential race are three different ballgames. Bernie Sanders is a viable candidate for president because he is what the country needs going forward into the 2020s. Over the last 40 years, we've been in an era of Reaganomics that initially took power to combat the economic challenges in the late 1970's of high inflation. Around this time, the New Deal era had worn off, and a more socially oriented form of liberalism had emerged, largely because the middle class was actually thriving, as those issues became more important because the Baby Boomers became a higher portion of the electorate. This created a backlash, and the religious right infiltrated the GOP. And starting from the mid 70s and onward, what did they do? Push wedge issues like abortion, immigration, gay marriage, and school prayer in an attempt to divide the country up, thus creating the current levels of polarization. Meanwhile, the policies that the GOP (and to a lesser extent the now-defunct DLC wing of the Democratic party) have implemented have been a disaster for the middle class, with decreasing equality exchanged for faster economic growth. Eventually, the dam began to leek, starting in 2008 with the election of Obama and the election of Trump was another crack in the dam. However, both continued the failed status quo ideas of 1980 and onward (with some exceptions in Obama's case). Eventually, the dam will burst, bringing people together and someone with fundamentally alternative ideas to the status quo will acquire power. Right now, Bernie Sanders fits that bill the best in this country.

Now getting back on topic, this sort of transformation that the country needs just isn't possible at the state level, partially because you just can't run up deficits in a state like you can in a country. A GOP dominated state legislature like the one in Ohio will pass single payer over their dead body. Unlike Kucinich, Cordray has won statewide and has longtime executive experience working against GOP obstruction in DC and is pro-gun when his GOP opponent has an F rating from the NRA and IIRC has appeal to the SW part of the state. As for Senate races, there's more ideological flexibility in terms of viable candidates since a Senator does not have individual final say in decisions and thus has less personally responsibility than a governor or president. This is why Jerry Brown is a great governor of California but would be a mediocre senator. The opposite is likely true of someone like Kirsten Gillibrand for example.
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« Reply #26 on: April 06, 2018, 12:59:43 pm »

1. I want a governor who is going to work for the interests of people in Ohio, and Kucinich is that guy. Polling doesn't matter, Cordray is a weak candidate and will not  win the general. You still fail to address how on earth Cordray relates to Ashtabula, Trumbull, and Mahoning county voters, as well as Northwestern Ohio(Sandusky, Erie, Wood etc.) He talks like a typical politician and that's what these voters are sick of! I'm happy to endorse Cordray in the general but I just don't think he has the ability to relate to those voters! Kucinich is FRESH and NEW and that's what people want. Obama-Trump voters love this populist kind of attitude. In fact hell probably move socially to the right to gain wwc voters who are still winnable.
2. Cutting Taxes on the rich isn't enough, but there are several other steps that can be taken. Decriminalizing marijuana and eventually other substances so we can stop spending money on drug law enforcement, reducing prison populations, and abolishing ICE. And About the last point, if you think it sounds radical, then why do the democrats refuse to implement any border restriction at all? I'm fine with that, but if we aren't going to enforce it, just admit it. Why use an agency that we don't want to do its job?

Do you even live in Ohio?
No lol, I don't know what I was thinking in the first sentence. But the more progressives we elect, the more we can change the national mood of the country.
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« Reply #27 on: April 06, 2018, 01:06:58 pm »

I know you're trolling but lmao at Kucinich being fresh and new. But I'll use this as a chance to raise a point that I don't think gets brought up enough. A governor race and a senate and presidential race are three different ballgames. Bernie Sanders is a viable candidate for president because he is what the country needs going forward into the 2020s. Over the last 40 years, we've been in an era of Reaganomics that initially took power to combat the economic challenges in the late 1970's of high inflation. Around this time, the New Deal era had worn off, and a more socially oriented form of liberalism had emerged, largely because the middle class was actually thriving, as those issues became more important because the Baby Boomers became a higher portion of the electorate. This created a backlash, and the religious right infiltrated the GOP. And starting from the mid 70s and onward, what did they do? Push wedge issues like abortion, immigration, gay marriage, and school prayer in an attempt to divide the country up, thus creating the current levels of polarization. Meanwhile, the policies that the GOP (and to a lesser extent the now-defunct DLC wing of the Democratic party) have implemented have been a disaster for the middle class, with decreasing equality exchanged for faster economic growth. Eventually, the dam began to leek, starting in 2008 with the election of Obama and the election of Trump was another crack in the dam. However, both continued the failed status quo ideas of 1980 and onward (with some exceptions in Obama's case). Eventually, the dam will burst, bringing people together and someone with fundamentally alternative ideas to the status quo will acquire power. Right now, Bernie Sanders fits that bill the best in this country.

Now getting back on topic, this sort of transformation that the country needs just isn't possible at the state level, partially because you just can't run up deficits in a state like you can in a country. A GOP dominated state legislature like the one in Ohio will pass single payer over their dead body. Unlike Kucinich, Cordray has won statewide and has longtime executive experience working against GOP obstruction in DC and is pro-gun when his GOP opponent has an F rating from the NRA and IIRC has appeal to the SW part of the state. As for Senate races, there's more ideological flexibility in terms of viable candidates since a Senator does not have individual final say in decisions and thus has less personally responsibility than a governor or president. This is why Jerry Brown is a great governor of California but would be a mediocre senator. The opposite is likely true of someone like Kirsten Gillibrand for example.
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« Reply #28 on: April 07, 2018, 12:23:29 pm »

I wonder why Mary Taylor is doing so poorly despite John Kasich's endorsement. I mean, he's a very popular governor and would win reelection easily if he wasn't term-limited.

Because Kasich is a Democrat?

A moderate Republican who wants to work a across the aisle to actually get something done isn't a Democrat.
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« Reply #29 on: April 09, 2018, 12:35:59 pm »

I wonder why Mary Taylor is doing so poorly despite John Kasich's endorsement. I mean, he's a very popular governor and would win reelection easily if he wasn't term-limited.

Because Kasich is a Democrat?

A moderate Republican who wants to work a across the aisle to actually get something done isn't a Democrat.

And a person who sounds relatively sane but has very conservative positions isn't a moderate, LOL.
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« Reply #30 on: April 09, 2018, 07:19:53 pm »

DeWine probably wins
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« Reply #31 on: April 12, 2018, 08:44:40 am »

I wonder why Mary Taylor is doing so poorly despite John Kasich's endorsement. I mean, he's a very popular governor and would win reelection easily if he wasn't term-limited.

Because Kasich is a Democrat?

A moderate Republican who wants to work a across the aisle to actually get something done isn't a Democrat.

And a person who sounds relatively sane but has very conservative positions isn't a moderate, LOL.
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« Reply #32 on: April 12, 2018, 09:03:14 am »

I wonder why Mary Taylor is doing so poorly despite John Kasich's endorsement. I mean, he's a very popular governor and would win reelection easily if he wasn't term-limited.

Because Kasich is a Democrat?

A moderate Republican who wants to work a across the aisle to actually get something done isn't a Democrat.

And a person who sounds relatively sane but has very conservative positions isn't a moderate, LOL.

Kasich did a fabulous job at selling himself as a 'moderate'. Anyone who was paying attention before he entered the 2016 race knows he's nothing of the sort.
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« Reply #33 on: April 24, 2018, 06:06:37 pm »

Cordray better win this as he is the only Dem who can beat Mike DeWine.
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