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« on: March 26, 2018, 07:08:42 am »

First the GE numbers:

DeWine 47 - Corday 39 (+8)
DeWine 51 - Kucinich 38 (13)

Primary for the dems:

Cordray - 21%
Kucinich - 21%
Schiavoni - 5%
O'Neill - 4%
Paul Ray - 2%
Larry Ealy    - 1%
Undecided - 46%

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=b21c66fb-ba89-4b8c-9171-30457f6997d2
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« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2018, 07:11:37 am »

also DeWine up 50-18 over Mary Taylor in the primary
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« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2018, 07:32:11 am »

Assuming Cordray wins the primary, I expect the polling numbers will get closer during GE season. I still think this is gossip.
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« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2018, 07:48:24 am »

Just let DeWine have it if Kucinich is the D nominee. Ugh.
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« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2018, 08:09:08 am »

Lean R.

Good night if the Dems send Kucinich to the general election. He'll turn this into safe R. Cordray would have a better chance though still be the underdog here.
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« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2018, 09:38:10 am »

This is fine for March.
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« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2018, 11:57:53 am »


It sure is!

Dewine beat Cordray in the AG race here in 2010. I've often wanted to see these 2 square off again. A lot can happen between now and November
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« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2018, 03:21:48 pm »

Looks about right. Lean R with Cordray, safe R with Kucinich.
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« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2018, 04:48:01 pm »

Sherrod Brown is gonna blow out Renacci, and Mike DeWine is running.  This could be the surprise of election night of a Democratic takeover.
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« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2018, 06:55:53 pm »

Just let DeWine have it if Kucinich is the D nominee. Ugh.
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« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2018, 07:01:02 pm »

Awful numbers for Taylor!
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« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2018, 05:48:08 pm »

LOL I love it! Yay Kucinich! And I think Kucinich will do fine in the general, because he'll have Sherrod Brown on top of the ticket, and he'll flip several Obama-Trump voters and maybe even some old democrats and that could make up for weaker margins in Hamilton.
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« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2018, 06:01:58 pm »

LOL I love it! Yay Kucinich! And I think Kucinich will do fine in the general, because he'll have Sherrod Brown on top of the ticket, and he'll flip several Obama-Trump voters and maybe even some old democrats and that could make up for weaker margins in Hamilton.
Agreed, I think both Cordray and Kucinich would have a good chance at winning, although Cordray is more "electable".
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« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2018, 06:03:09 pm »

Also, if Kucinich is the nominee it'll be interesting to see whether Atlas endorses DeWine.
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« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2018, 10:21:31 pm »

So Atlas really hates Kucinich that much, even as he continues in having leftist positions that they agree with on paper, just for the crime of not being just another Richard Fowler or Juan Williams and daring to sometimes defend Drumpf when he goes on Fox once every other month?
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« Reply #15 on: April 05, 2018, 01:33:34 pm »

So Atlas really hates Kucinich that much, even as he continues in having leftist positions that they agree with on paper, just for the crime of not being just another Richard Fowler or Juan Williams and daring to sometimes defend Drumpf when he goes on Fox once every other month?
Yup. It's so ridiculous. And I mean, I don't hate Cordray but Kucinich has been a consistent progressive and would be a great governor.
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« Reply #16 on: April 05, 2018, 01:36:55 pm »

So Atlas really hates Kucinich that much, even as he continues in having leftist positions that they agree with on paper, just for the crime of not being just another Richard Fowler or Juan Williams and daring to sometimes defend Drumpf when he goes on Fox once every other month?

Kucinich is a total loony toon. You need to be more than just an activist who looks funny to be a Governor, something regressives (e.g BernieBro) don't realize. You need to be actually competent. I'm pretty sure BernieBro is just astroturfing though - he's endorsing every candidate that would do the worst in the general election, at least in Maryland and Ohio anyways.

I'd vote Kucinich over DeWine probably, but Cordray is far better (and endorsed by Elizabeth Warren! you know, the person progressives jerk off over). Also, it looks like he won't be governor anyways, seeing as he's doing far worse than Cordray in a GE.
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« Reply #17 on: April 05, 2018, 02:33:06 pm »

I wonder why Mary Taylor is doing so poorly despite John Kasich's endorsement. I mean, he's a very popular governor and would win reelection easily if he wasn't term-limited.
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« Reply #18 on: April 06, 2018, 10:24:14 am »

Does Cordray support Single payer? No. Does he support free college? No. So I don't care if he endorsed by Elizabeth Warren, Im not supporting him in the primary. And also, as far as "electability" is concerned, Cordray is NOT polling much better then kucinich. He's at 39-47 DeWine, Kucinich is 38-51 DeWine. And Kucinich's a much better fit for northeast Ohio then Cordray. He's  more awkward and anti-establishment and could win a lot of Obama-trump voters. Cordray might be a better fit for Hamilton but Hillary won Hamilton and still lost anyway.
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« Reply #19 on: April 06, 2018, 10:29:20 am »

Does Cordray support Single payer? No. Does he support free college? No. So I don't care if he endorsed by Elizabeth Warren, Im not supporting him in the primary. And also, as far as "electability" is concerned, Cordray is NOT polling much better then kucinich. He's at 39-47 DeWine, Kucinich is 38-51 DeWine. And Kucinich's a much better fit for northeast Ohio then Cordray. He's  more awkward and anti-establishment and could win a lot of Obama-trump voters. Cordray might be a better fit for Hamilton but Hillary won Hamilton and still lost anyway.

Single payer doesn't matter for a governor election (because single payer will obviously not be done on a state level, at least not in Ohio).

Also losing by 8 is better than losing by 13, but I guess math isn't really your forte given you think taxing the top 1% and cutting military spending is enough to even pay for our current social programs.
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« Reply #20 on: April 06, 2018, 11:36:01 am »

1. I want a governor who is going to work for the interests of people in Ohio, and Kucinich is that guy. Polling doesn't matter, Cordray is a weak candidate and will not  win the general. You still fail to address how on earth Cordray relates to Ashtabula, Trumbull, and Mahoning county voters, as well as Northwestern Ohio(Sandusky, Erie, Wood etc.) He talks like a typical politician and that's what these voters are sick of! I'm happy to endorse Cordray in the general but I just don't think he has the ability to relate to those voters! Kucinich is FRESH and NEW and that's what people want. Obama-Trump voters love this populist kind of attitude. In fact hell probably move socially to the right to gain wwc voters who are still winnable.
2. Cutting Taxes on the rich isn't enough, but there are several other steps that can be taken. Decriminalizing marijuana and eventually other substances so we can stop spending money on drug law enforcement, reducing prison populations, and abolishing ICE. And About the last point, if you think it sounds radical, then why do the democrats refuse to implement any border restriction at all? I'm fine with that, but if we aren't going to enforce it, just admit it. Why use an agency that we don't want to do its job?
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« Reply #21 on: April 06, 2018, 11:44:26 am »

1. I want a governor who is going to work for the interests of people in Ohio, and Kucinich is that guy. Polling doesn't matter, Cordray is a weak candidate and will not  win the general. You still fail to address how on earth Cordray relates to Ashtabula, Trumbull, and Mahoning county voters, as well as Northwestern Ohio(Sandusky, Erie, Wood etc.) He talks like a typical politician and that's what these voters are sick of! I'm happy to endorse Cordray in the general but I just don't think he has the ability to relate to those voters! Kucinich is FRESH and NEW and that's what people want. Obama-Trump voters love this populist kind of attitude. In fact hell probably move socially to the right to gain wwc voters who are still winnable.
2. Cutting Taxes on the rich isn't enough, but there are several other steps that can be taken. Decriminalizing marijuana and eventually other substances so we can stop spending money on drug law enforcement, reducing prison populations, and abolishing ICE. And About the last point, if you think it sounds radical, then why do the democrats refuse to implement any border restriction at all? I'm fine with that, but if we aren't going to enforce it, just admit it. Why use an agency that we don't want to do its job?

Do you even live in Ohio?
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« Reply #22 on: April 06, 2018, 12:17:03 pm »

If Dennis Kucinich is elected governor of Ohio, I will become a true believer in the Bernie movement.
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« Reply #23 on: April 06, 2018, 12:31:13 pm »

I know you're trolling but lmao at Kucinich being fresh and new. But I'll use this as a chance to raise a point that I don't think gets brought up enough. A governor race and a senate and presidential race are three different ballgames. Bernie Sanders is a viable candidate for president because he is what the country needs going forward into the 2020s. Over the last 40 years, we've been in an era of Reaganomics that initially took power to combat the economic challenges in the late 1970's of high inflation. Around this time, the New Deal era had worn off, and a more socially oriented form of liberalism had emerged, largely because the middle class was actually thriving, as those issues became more important because the Baby Boomers became a higher portion of the electorate. This created a backlash, and the religious right infiltrated the GOP. And starting from the mid 70s and onward, what did they do? Push wedge issues like abortion, immigration, gay marriage, and school prayer in an attempt to divide the country up, thus creating the current levels of polarization. Meanwhile, the policies that the GOP (and to a lesser extent the now-defunct DLC wing of the Democratic party) have implemented have been a disaster for the middle class, with decreasing equality exchanged for faster economic growth. Eventually, the dam began to leek, starting in 2008 with the election of Obama and the election of Trump was another crack in the dam. However, both continued the failed status quo ideas of 1980 and onward (with some exceptions in Obama's case). Eventually, the dam will burst, bringing people together and someone with fundamentally alternative ideas to the status quo will acquire power. Right now, Bernie Sanders fits that bill the best in this country.

Now getting back on topic, this sort of transformation that the country needs just isn't possible at the state level, partially because you just can't run up deficits in a state like you can in a country. A GOP dominated state legislature like the one in Ohio will pass single payer over their dead body. Unlike Kucinich, Cordray has won statewide and has longtime executive experience working against GOP obstruction in DC and is pro-gun when his GOP opponent has an F rating from the NRA and IIRC has appeal to the SW part of the state. As for Senate races, there's more ideological flexibility in terms of viable candidates since a Senator does not have individual final say in decisions and thus has less personally responsibility than a governor or president. This is why Jerry Brown is a great governor of California but would be a mediocre senator. The opposite is likely true of someone like Kirsten Gillibrand for example.
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« Reply #24 on: April 06, 2018, 12:59:43 pm »

1. I want a governor who is going to work for the interests of people in Ohio, and Kucinich is that guy. Polling doesn't matter, Cordray is a weak candidate and will not  win the general. You still fail to address how on earth Cordray relates to Ashtabula, Trumbull, and Mahoning county voters, as well as Northwestern Ohio(Sandusky, Erie, Wood etc.) He talks like a typical politician and that's what these voters are sick of! I'm happy to endorse Cordray in the general but I just don't think he has the ability to relate to those voters! Kucinich is FRESH and NEW and that's what people want. Obama-Trump voters love this populist kind of attitude. In fact hell probably move socially to the right to gain wwc voters who are still winnable.
2. Cutting Taxes on the rich isn't enough, but there are several other steps that can be taken. Decriminalizing marijuana and eventually other substances so we can stop spending money on drug law enforcement, reducing prison populations, and abolishing ICE. And About the last point, if you think it sounds radical, then why do the democrats refuse to implement any border restriction at all? I'm fine with that, but if we aren't going to enforce it, just admit it. Why use an agency that we don't want to do its job?

Do you even live in Ohio?
No lol, I don't know what I was thinking in the first sentence. But the more progressives we elect, the more we can change the national mood of the country.
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