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« on: April 01, 2018, 03:12:38 pm »

https://www.pri.org/stories/2018-04-01/china-senator-warren-says-us-going-take-tougher-line-communist-nation

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The Massachusetts Democrat and Trump foe, who has been touted as a potential 2020 presidential candidate despite rejecting such speculation, has said US trade policy needs a rethink and that she is not afraid of tariffs.

After years of mistakenly assuming economic engagement would lead to a more open China, the US government was waking up to Chinese demands for US companies to give up their know-how in exchange for access to its market, Warren said.

"The whole policy was misdirected. We told ourselves a happy-face story that never fit with the facts," Warren told reporters on Saturday, during a three-day visit to China that began on Friday.

"Now US policymakers are starting to look more aggressively at pushing China to open up the markets without demanding a hostage price of access to US technology," she said.
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She said she told officials she met that Americans cannot support a more integrated economic system with China if it "fails to respect basic human rights".

Ill be interested to see how the trade debate plays out in the primaries.  Normally, the trade debate in presidential campaigns doesnt get much more specific than support or opposition for whatever the current or recent trade agreements on the table are.  E.g., do you support or oppose TPP?  But what we havent had recently is an incumbent president who himself is tariff-happy, and not pursuing big new trade pacts.  So where does that leave the trade debate among 2020 Dems?  Support or opposition for Trumps tariffs?  Will they get more specific than that?

Warren also criticized Trumps Asia approach, including the decision to meet with Kim Jong-un:

http://thehill.com/policy/international/381184-warren-slams-chaotic-foreign-policy-while-in-asia

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This has been a chaotic foreign policy in the region, and that makes it hard to keep the allies that we need to accomplish our objectives closely stitched-in, Warren told reporters in Beijing on Saturday.

The senator, whom many consider a possible 2020 presidential candidate, also visited South Korea and Japan, where she criticized Trump for his rash agreement to meet with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un.

For the summit between Trump and Kim to be a success, Warren said, there would need to be a commitment to discuss steps to reduce North Koreas nuclear threat, Reuters reported. That would require negotiations by the State Department Trump has weakened, she said.
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« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2018, 03:16:36 pm »

Extremely disappointed that this does not appear to be an April Fools Joke. Creating a trade war with China is an insanely bad idea and only adds to the fact that Warren would be a terrible president.
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« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2018, 05:54:42 pm »

No surprise, liberals have been pushing war-like rhetoric against Russia and China for a while.
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« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2018, 08:09:59 am »

Warren is absolutely awful on trade. This is why the Democrats need a moderate Dem in 2020.
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« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2018, 10:23:47 am »

Horseshoe theory.
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« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2018, 10:26:06 am »

Horseshoe theory.
More like fish hook, far right and centrists on the same page, including nuking DPRK.
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« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2018, 11:32:09 am »

This is the exact type of rhetoric Warren needs to push if she actually wants a shot at winning the GE. She's absolutely right that China needs to start towing the line if it wants to trade with us. Stealing U.S. intellectual property is a huge problem that we shouldn't just take lying down. We shouldn't start a trade war with China but being firm on them about IP theft is something people should be able to get behind.
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« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2018, 03:37:52 pm »

No surprise, liberals have been pushing war-like rhetoric against Russia and China for a while.

Tariffs aren't war-like. But it is mainly hawks who don't like that Trump will be meeting with Kim Jung Un.
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« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2018, 06:47:51 pm »

No surprise, liberals have been pushing war-like rhetoric against Russia and China for a while.

Tariffs aren't war-like. But it is mainly hawks who don't like that Trump will be meeting with Kim Jung Un.
Warren tweeted this on friday despite all the efforts from China, DPRK and ROK to ensure peace at the peninsula (meanwhile classless christofascist Mike Pence had that embarrassing posture at the Olympics, but then, I don't expect respect from fascists).

ROK sent artists to perform at the DPRK yesterday and Kim made his first international visit ever and talked to Xi but Warren comes with warmonger clintonite rhetoric, won't feel bad if people call her pocahontas from now on.
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« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2018, 06:51:35 pm »

No surprise, liberals have been pushing war-like rhetoric against Russia and China for a while.

Tariffs aren't war-like. But it is mainly hawks who don't like that Trump will be meeting with Kim Jung Un.

Tariffs are economic nationalism, which is tantamount to declaring war, especially these targeted ones. After all, you can't declare total war if your economy is dependent on somebody else.
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« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2018, 08:44:35 pm »

No surprise, liberals have been pushing war-like rhetoric against Russia and China for a while.

Tariffs aren't war-like. But it is mainly hawks who don't like that Trump will be meeting with Kim Jung Un.

Tariffs are economic nationalism, which is tantamount to declaring war, especially these targeted ones. After all, you can't declare total war if your economy is dependent on somebody else.

Tariffs that are maybe 1% of total trade with a country are equivalent to declaring war? LOL. I bet even historical anti-tariff politicians like William Jennings Bryan supported more tariffs than that.
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« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2018, 11:17:17 am »

No surprise, liberals have been pushing war-like rhetoric against Russia and China for a while.

Tariffs aren't war-like. But it is mainly hawks who don't like that Trump will be meeting with Kim Jung Un.

Tariffs are economic nationalism, which is tantamount to declaring war, especially these targeted ones. After all, you can't declare total war if your economy is dependent on somebody else.

Tariffs that are maybe 1% of total trade with a country are equivalent to declaring war? LOL. I bet even historical anti-tariff politicians like William Jennings Bryan supported more tariffs than that.

Yeah because now we have progressive ways to source revenue - income taxes, CGT, wealth taxes etc.

If you seriously think the American establishment preparing for conflict with China is done out of progressivism, you're super nave.
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« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2018, 11:36:56 am »

Shocking, I tell you.
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« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2018, 12:17:43 pm »

This is the exact type of rhetoric Warren needs to push if she actually wants a shot at winning the GE. She's absolutely right that China needs to start towing the line if it wants to trade with us. Stealing U.S. intellectual property is a huge problem that we shouldn't just take lying down. We shouldn't start a trade war with China but being firm on them about IP theft is something people should be able to get behind.
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« Reply #14 on: April 03, 2018, 12:21:36 pm »

You've never really come off as a liberal internationalist type, CrabCake, but I tend to defer to you on most matters: Do you actually think that a trade war opens up the possibility of hot war, especially since... well, hot war between two nuclear powers is, you know, apocalypse?

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« Reply #15 on: April 03, 2018, 03:13:39 pm »

No surprise, liberals have been pushing war-like rhetoric against Russia and China for a while.

Tariffs aren't war-like. But it is mainly hawks who don't like that Trump will be meeting with Kim Jung Un.

Tariffs are economic nationalism, which is tantamount to declaring war, especially these targeted ones. After all, you can't declare total war if your economy is dependent on somebody else.

Tariffs that are maybe 1% of total trade with a country are equivalent to declaring war? LOL. I bet even historical anti-tariff politicians like William Jennings Bryan supported more tariffs than that.

Yeah because now we have progressive ways to source revenue - income taxes, CGT, wealth taxes etc.

If you seriously think the American establishment preparing for conflict with China is done out of progressivism, you're super nave.

We should have tariffs on any country that doesn't have reasonable labor or environmental standards.
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« Reply #16 on: April 03, 2018, 04:09:32 pm »

No surprise, liberals have been pushing war-like rhetoric against Russia and China for a while.

Tariffs aren't war-like. But it is mainly hawks who don't like that Trump will be meeting with Kim Jung Un.

Tariffs are economic nationalism, which is tantamount to declaring war, especially these targeted ones. After all, you can't declare total war if your economy is dependent on somebody else.

Tariffs that are maybe 1% of total trade with a country are equivalent to declaring war? LOL. I bet even historical anti-tariff politicians like William Jennings Bryan supported more tariffs than that.

Yeah because now we have progressive ways to source revenue - income taxes, CGT, wealth taxes etc.

If you seriously think the American establishment preparing for conflict with China is done out of progressivism, you're super nave.

We should have tariffs on any country that doesn't have reasonable labor or environmental standards.
So will America impose tariffs on itself? Nothing more capitalist than the lack of labor and environmental standards.
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« Reply #17 on: April 03, 2018, 04:13:45 pm »

No surprise, liberals have been pushing war-like rhetoric against Russia and China for a while.

Tariffs aren't war-like. But it is mainly hawks who don't like that Trump will be meeting with Kim Jung Un.

Tariffs are economic nationalism, which is tantamount to declaring war, especially these targeted ones. After all, you can't declare total war if your economy is dependent on somebody else.

Tariffs that are maybe 1% of total trade with a country are equivalent to declaring war? LOL. I bet even historical anti-tariff politicians like William Jennings Bryan supported more tariffs than that.

Yeah because now we have progressive ways to source revenue - income taxes, CGT, wealth taxes etc.

If you seriously think the American establishment preparing for conflict with China is done out of progressivism, you're super nave.

We should have tariffs on any country that doesn't have reasonable labor or environmental standards.
So will America impose tariffs on itself? Nothing more capitalist than the lack of labor and environmental standards.
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The US has no labor standards? And no environmental standards?
In what world?
Insufficient labor and environmental standards, ok, that might be agreeable. Saying there is no labor and environmental standards, that's different.
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« Reply #18 on: April 03, 2018, 09:26:08 pm »

No surprise, liberals have been pushing war-like rhetoric against Russia and China for a while.

Tariffs aren't war-like. But it is mainly hawks who don't like that Trump will be meeting with Kim Jung Un.

Tariffs are economic nationalism, which is tantamount to declaring war, especially these targeted ones. After all, you can't declare total war if your economy is dependent on somebody else.

Tariffs that are maybe 1% of total trade with a country are equivalent to declaring war? LOL. I bet even historical anti-tariff politicians like William Jennings Bryan supported more tariffs than that.

Yeah because now we have progressive ways to source revenue - income taxes, CGT, wealth taxes etc.

If you seriously think the American establishment preparing for conflict with China is done out of progressivism, you're super nave.

We should have tariffs on any country that doesn't have reasonable labor or environmental standards.
So will America impose tariffs on itself? Nothing more capitalist than the lack of labor and environmental standards.

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