HR 1211: Constitutional Amendment Explanation Requirement Act (Passed)
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« on: April 07, 2018, 01:54:04 AM »
« edited: April 23, 2018, 05:48:33 PM by Vice President PiT »

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     I hereby open the floor for debate.
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« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2018, 02:13:32 AM »

I move to assume sponsorship.
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« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2018, 02:55:57 AM »

     Representatives have 24 hours to object to Representative Yankee assuming sponsorship of the bill.
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« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2018, 02:49:07 AM »

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It is my opinion that this clause in particular is unconstitutional as it seeks to subordinate the equal chambers in this instance when they are suppose to have equal powers and amendments take the forms of Resolutions of the individual houses and even when a Senate Resolution is brought up here, having passed the Senate, the House has full power to amend or completely rewrite it and send it back to the other chamber. It is nonsense to think that such could be done and yet the explanation still remain affixed to a text that such does not explain, and the one that it had explained being amended out of existence.
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« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2018, 09:59:07 AM »

great amendment, wholeheartedly support.
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« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2018, 12:35:34 PM »

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« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2018, 01:44:39 PM »

     With no objections, Representative Yankee assumes sponsorship.

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« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2018, 02:23:10 PM »

     With no objections, Amendment H11:17 is adopted.
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« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2018, 12:59:55 AM »

That's a good amendment.
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« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2018, 02:03:15 AM »
« Edited: April 11, 2018, 02:07:15 AM by People's Speaker North Carolina Yankee »

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After reviewing the passage, it occurs to me that the first three clauses aren't compatible with 4 and 5. The first say "The two houses shall pass rules...", but then clauses 4 and 5 dictate what those rules should include.

Seriously, I am considering amending the whole bill out of existence, and changing this to a joint resolution amending each chamber's rules. Include a sever ability clause so that both chambers have to pass it (to comply with the constitution's stipulation that each chamber passes its own rules).

That way each chamber will have the same rules governing this, and we can skip this toothless legislation that is borderline unconstitutional anyway.

But for now, the above amendment.
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« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2018, 02:51:39 AM »

I support the amendment, though I acknowledge the legislation isn't particularly meaningful.
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« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2018, 03:02:59 PM »

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« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2018, 03:20:32 PM »

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« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2018, 03:45:34 PM »

     With no objections, Amendment H11:20 is adopted.
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« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2018, 06:17:23 PM »

Yea I think I am going to rewrite and restructure this. Bear with me, and preserve my formatting, because we are going to be in for a wild ride here. Tongue
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« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2018, 12:06:35 AM »

Yea I think I am going to rewrite and restructure this. Bear with me, and preserve my formatting, because we are going to be in for a wild ride here. Tongue

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« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2018, 02:59:14 AM »
« Edited: April 16, 2018, 01:18:03 AM by People's Speaker North Carolina Yankee »

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2. This resolution shall only take effect once all bills and resolutions contained within this Joint Resolution have achieved passage and/or been signed into law.
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2. This resolution shall only take effect once all bills and resolutions contained within this Joint Resolution have achieved passage and/or been signed into law.
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« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2018, 03:50:01 AM »

So I am not offering this yet, but this is how this will work.

If we adopte this amendment, the underlying text will become what I have posted above. If passed, the House vote link will be applied to the bill portion and the house rule portion. Then it goes over to the Senate, and likewise the Senate vote is applied to the bill portion and the Senate rule portion.

This way, each chamber is only voting on their own rules as the Constitution dictates, and yet both will have the same rule and there is a non-severability clause requiring all portions are enacted before anyone portion becomes effective.

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« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2018, 01:34:04 AM »

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2. This resolution shall only take effect once all bills and resolutions contained within this Joint Resolution have achieved passage and/or been signed into law.
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« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2018, 01:38:21 AM »

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2. This resolution shall only take effect once all bills and resolutions contained within this Joint Resolution have achieved passage and/or been signed into law.
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2. This resolution shall only take effect once all bills and resolutions contained within this Joint Resolution have achieved passage and/or been signed into law.
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     Representatives have 24 hours to object.
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« Reply #20 on: April 17, 2018, 04:08:29 AM »

Once the amendment is declared passed, I move for a final vote.
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« Reply #21 on: April 17, 2018, 05:47:21 PM »

Also just noticed you made the mistake here as well.

This should be HR 1211 not HB 1211. Tongue
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« Reply #22 on: April 17, 2018, 11:27:15 PM »

     With no objections the amendment is adopted.
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« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2018, 02:52:37 AM »

Any my motion for a final vote?
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« Reply #24 on: April 19, 2018, 02:39:30 PM »

     Oh yes. Representatives have 24 hours to object or we will proceed to a final vote.
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