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« on: June 11, 2018, 08:16:33 AM »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollonian_and_Dionysian

Apollo; the god of logic and order (Star Trek's "Vulcan")

Dionysus; the god of irrationality and chaos, thus of having fun drinking and dancing etc
(more human or more Klingon?)

As humans we have both, so I say both.
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« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2018, 10:56:31 AM »

Best is Classics, id est romantical content formed by classicistical style, neither cold castration-classicism nor formless romanticism.

The wonder of Delphi is relying on Apollo, but is unthinkable without Dionysos.

Take both:     fruitio DEI   &   gnothi seauton
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« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2018, 11:58:36 AM »

Apollo

It's not like the god was emotionless... just look at his long line of male and female lovers.
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« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2018, 12:11:13 PM »

Apollo

It's not like the god was emotionless... just look at his long line of male and female lovers.

To be without emotion is beyond human beings, more than likely.
I could also say that to be without reason is also beyond humans, at least a sober human being.
Perhaps we could say that someone who has gone completely psychotic is without reason (or at least appears so).
I could argue that there is a difference between totally objective (and thereby having difficulty making decisions where intuition, common sense, or human values come into play) and being logical.

Being logical involves objective thinking but a well balanced person, I would think, factors in human values, as well, (compassion? mercy? etc.?). A well balanced person sees logic as only a tool to becoming a better person and a tool in making good decisions. Certainly to disregard either logic or emotion entirely as good means to a good end would not be prudent.
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« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2018, 12:20:36 PM »

Best is Classics, id est romantical content formed by classicistical style, neither cold castration-classicism nor formless romanticism.

The wonder of Delphi is relying on Apollo, but is unthinkable without Dionysos.

Take both:     fruitio DEI   &   gnothi seauton

I don't think one can know oneself using logic alone, but logic is a tool and can be used toward self knowledge. Where does the divine part of us come in. Emerson in his poem gnothi seauston, said that god is within us. A common idea throughout history.

https://www.unification.net/ws/theme007.htm
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« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2018, 12:23:06 PM »

By the way the Vulcan is not without emotion, although s/he may be deluded into think so.

The Vulcan is one who is in complete control of (and or suppresses emotions) emotions,
(not a bad goal, whether or not humans are capable of it).
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« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2018, 04:01:15 PM »

Best is Classics, id est romantical content formed by classicistical style, neither cold castration-classicism nor formless romanticism.

The wonder of Delphi is relying on Apollo, but is unthinkable without Dionysos.

Take both:     fruitio DEI   &   gnothi seauton

I don't think one can know oneself using logic alone, but logic is a tool and can be used toward self knowledge. Where does the divine part of us come in. Emerson in his poem gnothi seauston, said that god is within us. A common idea throughout history.

https://www.unification.net/ws/theme007.htm
Any AnthropoTheism (sive Gnosticism) is neither rational - because we know, that we men aren't perfect/unborn/immortal/... (would never include women here...) - nor emotional: "The mysticism of lovelessness" (R.Zaehner on Gnosticism) is an ugly amor sui, a selfish solipsism consequently ending in suicide (committed by the less foolish of the "perfecti"). "'Accepting ourselves': the exact definition of stupidity." (GOMEZ DAVILA)
All real religion was loving and targeting an unreachable YOU.

Trinitarian Christianity believes even in a GOD, who is - despite HIS perfectness - not selfcomplacent, but who has fallen into LOVE to HIS father/son.
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« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2018, 04:33:19 PM »

I see the duality as

Apollo: you don't let your emotions control your actions
Dionysus: you surrender all control to your emotions and passions
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