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« on: April 15, 2018, 04:43:41 pm »

Definitely positive, although I don't agree with their theology.
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« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2018, 05:39:27 pm »

 The Amish? Theyíre the religious laughing stock of the eastern half of the  United States.
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« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2018, 06:56:17 pm »

I would say they are pretty harmless. They are generally hardworking and decent folks. They of course have views on certain issues that are literally medieval, but seeing as how they keep to themselves this generally isnít an issue for non Amish. They do sometimes draw the ire of farmers because hey pool their money so that basically any land that is for sale near current amish land will become Amish.
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« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2018, 10:27:48 pm »

We should adopt their community work effort.
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« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2018, 11:53:42 pm »

Amish Paradise is a FF song, that's all I can really say about the Amish.
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« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2018, 09:32:42 am »

Definitely positive, although I don't agree with their theology.
Clarification I do agree with 99.9% of their theology, meaning 99.9% = pacifism, = taking the 5th (or 6th or 7th) commandment literally. The Bible should be re-written so that "THOU SHALT NOT KILL no exceptions" is the first commandment.
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« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2018, 01:20:11 pm »

There is a very large Amish community west of us ... anyone who has a negative opinion of the Amish is a miserable HP.
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« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2018, 04:32:11 pm »
« Edited: April 19, 2018, 06:12:11 am by Torie »

My one reservation about the Amish is that they under-educate their children to the point that they really don't have the option of leaving the community. They go to one room school houses, with a young woman (always young women) as the teacher, and at the eight grade, leave to do "work- study," with that being mostly work at the family business or farm, and very little study. When at 17, the kids can experiment living in the outside world, and running around as "normal" teenagers for a year, they find that they just don't fit in at all, given their poor education, insular life, strange accent, etc. So in a way, I find that a form of child abuse, that the state allows to occur.

I learned all of this by taking participating in a tour group in Lancaster County, PA, where we met actual Amish families, and could have a conversation back and forth, with the guide very knowledgeable about Amish life, and rules, and practices.
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« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2018, 05:03:24 pm »

For a second I read this as "Opinion of the Amash".
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« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2018, 07:57:41 pm »

For a second I read this as "Opinion of the Amash".

In that case, HP p***y isolationist
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« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2018, 01:07:19 am »

I consider them very admirable people, even if I don't agree with some of their views. I can definitely see the merits of their lifestyle.
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« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2018, 01:10:59 am »

I think their pacifism and charity are very admirable. They are great representatives for the Christian religion (unlike some of our "Evangelicals.") That being said, I do see where Torie is coming from as well.
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« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2018, 12:04:20 pm »

I consider them very admirable people, even if I don't agree with some of their views. I can definitely see the merits of their lifestyle.

This, although I could never live as one.
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« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2018, 04:03:37 pm »

We could learn a lot from them.
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« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2018, 10:14:01 am »

I would say they are pretty harmless. They are generally hardworking and decent folks. They of course have views on certain issues that are literally medieval, but seeing as how they keep to themselves this generally isnít an issue for non Amish.

This, though I also can see the merits of Torie's argument re: Amish children.
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« Reply #15 on: May 07, 2018, 06:39:10 pm »

I consider them very admirable people, even if I don't agree with some of their views. I can definitely see the merits of their lifestyle.

This, although I could never live as one.
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« Reply #16 on: May 07, 2018, 07:35:36 pm »

Probably vaguely negative in principle, or at least sufficiently negative of disallowing their children to receive modern educations that it outweighs other positive attributes like pacifism. The last time large numbers of Amish were actually exposed to modern society (during the WW2 conscription era) was also the last time there was a large exodus away from their lifestyle, which suggests to me very strongly that it's not all it's cranked up to be. You don't see people switching in the other direction.

Interesting that I seem to be the first person who admitted to a negative opinion even though it's a large fraction of the poll.
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« Reply #17 on: May 07, 2018, 11:48:02 pm »

I consider them very admirable people, even if I don't agree with some of their views. I can definitely see the merits of their lifestyle.

This, although I could never live as one.
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« Reply #18 on: May 10, 2018, 10:25:04 am »

Probably vaguely negative in principle, or at least sufficiently negative of disallowing their children to receive modern educations that it outweighs other positive attributes like pacifism. The last time large numbers of Amish were actually exposed to modern society (during the WW2 conscription era) was also the last time there was a large exodus away from their lifestyle, which suggests to me very strongly that it's not all it's cranked up to be. You don't see people switching in the other direction.

But some try. It's true that, even over a period of decades, only a few dozen former outsiders have been accepted as members. But that's not for lack of interest.

I remember reading an article not long ago. It was about an online forum devoted to people who wanted to become Amish. That's an easy sentence to laugh at, but it's illustrative. For Amish moving out of their communities, the transition to a different way of life is difficult, but there are institutions and programs to help them, and it's not as if they would be accepted back anyway.

For anyone attempting the opposite, there isn't anything to help them, and the Amish have no responsibility to oblige confused cultural tourists. You don't see equal movement in both directions because it's a lot harder to move one way than the other. It doesn't say anything about which way of life is preferable.

As for children, the chief function of "modern education" is to reproduce the mix of bad habits, poor socialization, and insatiable material demands that make our world go round, so the Amish can hardly be faulted with opting out. Even with only an eighth-grade education, they are less likely to be functionally illiterate or innumerate than a typical high school graduate in the United States.
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« Reply #19 on: May 10, 2018, 10:33:48 am »

Disgusted with their pacifism, and also disdain their lifestyle.
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« Reply #20 on: May 10, 2018, 10:38:37 pm »

Probably vaguely negative in principle, or at least sufficiently negative of disallowing their children to receive modern educations that it outweighs other positive attributes like pacifism. The last time large numbers of Amish were actually exposed to modern society (during the WW2 conscription era) was also the last time there was a large exodus away from their lifestyle, which suggests to me very strongly that it's not all it's cranked up to be. You don't see people switching in the other direction.

But some try. It's true that, even over a period of decades, only a few dozen former outsiders have been accepted as members. But that's not for lack of interest.

I remember reading an article not long ago. It was about an online forum devoted to people who wanted to become Amish. That's an easy sentence to laugh at, but it's illustrative. For Amish moving out of their communities, the transition to a different way of life is difficult, but there are institutions and programs to help them, and it's not as if they would be accepted back anyway.

For anyone attempting the opposite, there isn't anything to help them, and the Amish have no responsibility to oblige confused cultural tourists. You don't see equal movement in both directions because it's a lot harder to move one way than the other. It doesn't say anything about which way of life is preferable.

As for children, the chief function of "modern education" is to reproduce the mix of bad habits, poor socialization, and insatiable material demands that make our world go round, so the Amish can hardly be faulted with opting out. Even with only an eighth-grade education, they are less likely to be functionally illiterate or innumerate than a typical high school graduate in the United States.

The other main issue about becoming Amish is the language barrier.
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« Reply #21 on: May 11, 2018, 10:12:43 pm »

Disgusted with their pacifism, and also disdain their lifestyle.

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« Reply #22 on: May 12, 2018, 07:04:24 am »

Probably vaguely negative in principle, or at least sufficiently negative of disallowing their children to receive modern educations that it outweighs other positive attributes like pacifism. The last time large numbers of Amish were actually exposed to modern society (during the WW2 conscription era) was also the last time there was a large exodus away from their lifestyle, which suggests to me very strongly that it's not all it's cranked up to be. You don't see people switching in the other direction.

But some try. It's true that, even over a period of decades, only a few dozen former outsiders have been accepted as members. But that's not for lack of interest.

I remember reading an article not long ago. It was about an online forum devoted to people who wanted to become Amish. That's an easy sentence to laugh at, but it's illustrative. For Amish moving out of their communities, the transition to a different way of life is difficult, but there are institutions and programs to help them, and it's not as if they would be accepted back anyway.

For anyone attempting the opposite, there isn't anything to help them, and the Amish have no responsibility to oblige confused cultural tourists. You don't see equal movement in both directions because it's a lot harder to move one way than the other. It doesn't say anything about which way of life is preferable.

As for children, the chief function of "modern education" is to reproduce the mix of bad habits, poor socialization, and insatiable material demands that make our world go round, so the Amish can hardly be faulted with opting out. Even with only an eighth-grade education, they are less likely to be functionally illiterate or innumerate than a typical high school graduate in the United States.

You know, it isn't too often that I agree with a Green Party supporter.  Well done.
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« Reply #23 on: May 12, 2018, 07:05:51 am »

Disgusted with their pacifism, and also disdain their lifestyle.

Boo

I have no use for pacifism.  None whatsoever.  And when I go to the library, there invariably are a couple of Amish, and they party like it's 1874.  It's so weird.
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« Reply #24 on: May 17, 2018, 11:45:12 am »

As for children, the chief function of "modern education" is to reproduce the mix of bad habits, poor socialization, and insatiable material demands that make our world go round, so the Amish can hardly be faulted with opting out. Even with only an eighth-grade education, they are less likely to be functionally illiterate or innumerate than a typical high school graduate in the United States.

Agreed
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