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« Reply #25 on: April 16, 2018, 07:41:15 PM »

That's a tough case to make when Republicans are the ones who supported the Civil Rights Act...
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« Reply #26 on: April 16, 2018, 07:44:49 PM »

That's a tough case to make when Republicans are the ones who supported the Civil Rights Act...
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« Reply #27 on: April 16, 2018, 08:19:53 PM »

Daddy Joe, right as always!
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« Reply #28 on: April 16, 2018, 08:58:10 PM »

He's not wrong, obviously it's not all Republicans, but many certainly wish that blacks and other minorities couldn't vote, because they know they most likely won't be voting for them - and rather than actually try to appeal to minority voters, the GOP strategy is to either depress their turnout or just try as hard as possible to keep them from voting without explicitly violating the VRA.

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Tell that to the Democrats of Rhode Island.

Right. It’s all Republicans plus the Bagel23 Democrats

I actually support loosening voter ID laws, making ballots more accessible, encouraging more people to vote, and stepping up this groundwork for increased minority turnout in local community areas thank you very much.
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« Reply #29 on: April 16, 2018, 09:12:10 PM »

Don't let anyone ever say that Democrats don't play identity politics..

That's just ridiculous, but typical these days.
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« Reply #30 on: April 17, 2018, 06:40:37 AM »

Republicans can't abandon their racist base to court black voters, so they just circumvent what ever laws they can to keep us from voting. I'm still waiting on the Alabama legislature to punish black voters for electing Doug Jones, or maybe they'll give them a pass since Roy Moore was so god-awful.

He's not wrong. Democrats don't want white, elderly evangelicals voting either. Ideally we'd live in a world where race didn't have such strong correlation with voting patterns, but as long as we do neither party is going to want any demographic that strongly opposes their platform to vote.

That doesn't mean I support restrictive voter ID laws, though.
What laws are Democrats passing to keep geriatric white people from voting? Roll Eyes

Just stop trying to paint whites as victims in a system institutionalized to benefit them at every turn. There is nowhere in this country where bad actors are working to keep white people from the polls.

Real ID laws that make it necessary for a 90 year old to discover a birth certificate in order to have a Real ID issued by their state are the laws that impact elderly white people from voting.

The laws that impacted black voting in the Jim Crow South (literacy tests, poll taxes, etc.) impacted poor white folks as well as black folks.  If you read V. O. Key's Southern Politics, you will see data as to the incredibly low level of poor white voter participation in the Southern states.  The ruling class white voters weren't just afraid of blacks coming to power; they were afraid of working class whites electing politicians sympathetic to labor unions. 

Now I grant you that the GOP speaks out of both sides of its mouth.  Most of the GOP wishes to appear non-racist and wishes to appeal to a greater percentage of black voters then they currently get.  At the same time, they advocate Voter ID laws and gerrymandering that, at a minimum, give the appearance of racism, an appearance buttressed by the occasional loose cannon politician who makes some kind of public statement revealing the baser motives behind there laws. 

Trump, by the way, could have made a pronouncement that he was against these Voter ID laws.  He could have stated that we didn't need them back in the day, so why do we need them now.  It could have been a master stroke, providing the dissonance to the "Trump's a Racist" chant that would have caused it to lose credibility.  And I don't believe that Trump is a racist; I've lived through George Wallace and I know what real racism is, vs. what is a good deal of wolf-crying today.  But Trump missed an opportunity, probably due to lack of imagination, and it's a shame.  If I were Trump's advisor, I'd suggest he make such a pronouncement.  On the other hand, if I were Trump's advisor, I'd probably be unemployed in a week.
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« Reply #31 on: April 17, 2018, 08:59:36 AM »

That's a tough case to make when Republicans are the ones who supported the Civil Rights Act...

Except no.
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« Reply #32 on: April 17, 2018, 04:49:45 PM »

That's a tough case to make when Republicans are the ones who supported the Civil Rights Act...
Except the GOP nominee in 1964 was literally against the Civil Rights Act and so was Ronald Reagan, PBUH.
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« Reply #33 on: April 18, 2018, 08:46:57 PM »

That's a tough case to make when Republicans are the ones who supported the Civil Rights Act...

Except no.

The vote totals on the Civil Rights Act of 1964:

Vote totals
Totals are in "Yea–Nay" format:

The original House version: 290–130   (69–31%)
Cloture in the Senate: 71–29   (71–29%)
The Senate version: 73–27   (73–27%)
The Senate version, as voted on by the House: 289–126   (70–30%)
By party
The original House version:[22]

Democratic Party: 152–96   (61–39%)
Republican Party: 138–34   (80–20%)
Cloture in the Senate:[23]

Democratic Party: 44–23   (66–34%)
Republican Party: 27–6   (82–18%)
The Senate version:[22]

Democratic Party: 46–21   (69–31%)
Republican Party: 27–6   (82–18%)
The Senate version, voted on by the House:[22]

Democratic Party: 153–91   (63–37%)
Republican Party: 136–35   (80–20%)
By party and region
Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.[24]

The original House version:

Southern Democrats: 7–87   (7–93%)
Southern Republicans: 0–10   (0–100%)
Northern Democrats: 145–9   (94–6%)
Northern Republicans: 138–24   (85–15%)
The Senate version:

Southern Democrats: 1–20   (5–95%) (only Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
Southern Republicans: 0–1   (0–100%) (John Tower of Texas)
Northern Democrats: 45–1   (98–2%) (only Robert Byrd of West Virginia voted against)
Northern Republicans: 27–5   (84–16%)

The 1965 Voting Rights act Introduced in the Senate as S. 1564 by Mike Mansfield (D–MT) and Everett Dirksen (R–IL) on March 17, 1965
Committee consideration by Judiciary
Passed the Senate on May 26, 1965 (77-19)
Passed the House with amendment on July 9, 1965 (333–85)
Reported by the joint conference committee on July 29, 1965; agreed to by the House on August 3, 1965 (328–74) and by the Senate on August 4, 1965 (79–18)
Signed into law by President Lyndon B. Johnson on August 6, 1965

The Fair Housing Act of 1968:

Introduced in the House as H.R. 2516 by Emanuel Celler (D–NY) on January 7, 1967
Committee consideration by Judiciary
Passed the House on August 16, 1967 (326–93)
Passed the Senate on March 12, 1968 (71–20) with amendment
House agreed to Senate amendment on April 10, 1968 (250–172)
Signed into law by President Lyndon B. Johnson on April 11, 1968

All of these bills passed with significant Republican support.
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« Reply #34 on: April 18, 2018, 08:51:10 PM »

That's a tough case to make when Republicans are the ones who supported the Civil Rights Act...

Except no.

The vote totals on the Civil Rights Act of 1964:

Vote totals
Totals are in "Yea–Nay" format:

The original House version: 290–130   (69–31%)
Cloture in the Senate: 71–29   (71–29%)
The Senate version: 73–27   (73–27%)
The Senate version, as voted on by the House: 289–126   (70–30%)
By party
The original House version:[22]

Democratic Party: 152–96   (61–39%)
Republican Party: 138–34   (80–20%)
Cloture in the Senate:[23]

Democratic Party: 44–23   (66–34%)
Republican Party: 27–6   (82–18%)
The Senate version:[22]

Democratic Party: 46–21   (69–31%)
Republican Party: 27–6   (82–18%)
The Senate version, voted on by the House:[22]

Democratic Party: 153–91   (63–37%)
Republican Party: 136–35   (80–20%)
By party and region
Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.[24]

The original House version:

Southern Democrats: 7–87   (7–93%)
Southern Republicans: 0–10   (0–100%)
Northern Democrats: 145–9   (94–6%)
Northern Republicans: 138–24   (85–15%)
The Senate version:

Southern Democrats: 1–20   (5–95%) (only Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
Southern Republicans: 0–1   (0–100%) (John Tower of Texas)
Northern Democrats: 45–1   (98–2%) (only Robert Byrd of West Virginia voted against)
Northern Republicans: 27–5   (84–16%)

The 1965 Voting Rights act Introduced in the Senate as S. 1564 by Mike Mansfield (D–MT) and Everett Dirksen (R–IL) on March 17, 1965
Committee consideration by Judiciary
Passed the Senate on May 26, 1965 (77-19)
Passed the House with amendment on July 9, 1965 (333–85)
Reported by the joint conference committee on July 29, 1965; agreed to by the House on August 3, 1965 (328–74) and by the Senate on August 4, 1965 (79–18)
Signed into law by President Lyndon B. Johnson on August 6, 1965

The Fair Housing Act of 1968:

Introduced in the House as H.R. 2516 by Emanuel Celler (D–NY) on January 7, 1967
Committee consideration by Judiciary
Passed the House on August 16, 1967 (326–93)
Passed the Senate on March 12, 1968 (71–20) with amendment
House agreed to Senate amendment on April 10, 1968 (250–172)
Signed into law by President Lyndon B. Johnson on April 11, 1968

All of these bills passed with significant Republican support.

If you can't see that the republicans have significantly changed since those days you are foolish
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« Reply #35 on: April 18, 2018, 10:40:54 PM »

That's a tough case to make when Republicans are the ones who supported the Civil Rights Act...
We're still pretending that segregationists didn't convert to the Republican Party?

And all the men that voted in favor of it on the Republican side are dead and would probably be labeled "weak" and "ineffective" by Trump. LOL.
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« Reply #36 on: April 19, 2018, 07:17:36 PM »

Don't let anyone ever say that Democrats don't play identity politics..

That's just ridiculous, but typical these days.

Every party and every politician plays "identity politics."
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« Reply #37 on: April 19, 2018, 07:45:37 PM »

That's a tough case to make when Republicans are the ones who supported the Civil Rights Act...

Except no.

The vote totals on the Civil Rights Act of 1964:

Vote totals
Totals are in "Yea–Nay" format:

The original House version: 290–130   (69–31%)
Cloture in the Senate: 71–29   (71–29%)
The Senate version: 73–27   (73–27%)
The Senate version, as voted on by the House: 289–126   (70–30%)
By party
The original House version:[22]

Democratic Party: 152–96   (61–39%)
Republican Party: 138–34   (80–20%)
Cloture in the Senate:[23]

Democratic Party: 44–23   (66–34%)
Republican Party: 27–6   (82–18%)
The Senate version:[22]

Democratic Party: 46–21   (69–31%)
Republican Party: 27–6   (82–18%)
The Senate version, voted on by the House:[22]

Democratic Party: 153–91   (63–37%)
Republican Party: 136–35   (80–20%)
By party and region
Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.[24]

The original House version:

Southern Democrats: 7–87   (7–93%)
Southern Republicans: 0–10   (0–100%)
Northern Democrats: 145–9   (94–6%)
Northern Republicans: 138–24   (85–15%)
The Senate version:

Southern Democrats: 1–20   (5–95%) (only Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
Southern Republicans: 0–1   (0–100%) (John Tower of Texas)
Northern Democrats: 45–1   (98–2%) (only Robert Byrd of West Virginia voted against)
Northern Republicans: 27–5   (84–16%)

The 1965 Voting Rights act Introduced in the Senate as S. 1564 by Mike Mansfield (D–MT) and Everett Dirksen (R–IL) on March 17, 1965
Committee consideration by Judiciary
Passed the Senate on May 26, 1965 (77-19)
Passed the House with amendment on July 9, 1965 (333–85)
Reported by the joint conference committee on July 29, 1965; agreed to by the House on August 3, 1965 (328–74) and by the Senate on August 4, 1965 (79–18)
Signed into law by President Lyndon B. Johnson on August 6, 1965

The Fair Housing Act of 1968:

Introduced in the House as H.R. 2516 by Emanuel Celler (D–NY) on January 7, 1967
Committee consideration by Judiciary
Passed the House on August 16, 1967 (326–93)
Passed the Senate on March 12, 1968 (71–20) with amendment
House agreed to Senate amendment on April 10, 1968 (250–172)
Signed into law by President Lyndon B. Johnson on April 11, 1968

All of these bills passed with significant Republican support.


There weren't really any prominent Republicans in The South back then, and Democrats are clearly more supportive in the other regions than their GOP counterparts.

The one Southern state with a prominent Republican saw said Republican join the segregationists while the Democrat joined the North.

Also Kefauver was dead and Bass didn't win the special yet, so that kinda skews Tennessee a bit too.
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