Hillary: Being a capitalist "Probably" cost me votes in the primary

[publicunofficial]

https://twitter.com/swin24/status/991790569797115906?s=19

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[BenBurch]

TBH, you have to be pretty dumb to be a socialist.

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

No, being corrupt and out of touch did.

[catographer]

This is what we all wanted from the beginning, for her to be "authentic" and "honest." Now when she is, people still complain. Hillary can never make anyone happy.

[Lord Admirale]

No surprise its publicun who starts this thread.

The far-left's derangement of Hillary Clinton continues

[Green Line]

There's no doubt that it did.

[Pyro]

Oh, boo hoo. Accept responsibility for your embarrassing loss and move on.

[JG]

Oh, boo hoo. Accept responsibility for your embarrassing loss and move on.

She did. Multiple times. And I fail to see what's wrong in saying that, of course, people who identify as socialists won't vote for a capitalist.

[NewYorkExpress]

Which is why Sanders, if he were twenty years younger would win the nomination, and almost certainly will be on the ticket as somebody's running mate in 2020.

[Pericles]

That seems like a gross mischaracterization of the primary and the Sanders surge.

[YE]

That seems like a gross mischaracterization of the primary and the Sanders surge.

This. Sanders didn't win 44% of the pledged delegates because he called himself a socialist. It's because he knew how to coherently challenge the status quo that has prevailed in this country since 1980.

Honestly Clinton's political IQ might be the worst of any Dem nominee since 1972.

[publicunofficial]

That seems like a gross mischaracterization of the primary and the Sanders surge.

This. Sanders didn't win 44% of the pledged delegates because he called himself a socialist. It's because he knew how to coherently challenge the status quo that has prevailed in this country since 1980.

Honestly Clinton's political IQ might be the worst of any Dem nominee since 1972.

Yeah when I made this thread I was more amazed that Hillary believes 40% of Democrats are socialists than anything. And honestly I really hope a lot higher-ups believe that.

[HAnnA MArin County]

This is what we all wanted from the beginning, for her to be "authentic" and "honest." Now when she is, people still complain. Hillary can never make anyone happy.

Indeed. She could find a cure every disease in the world and give everybody zillions of dollars and the jferns and other deplorables on the far left would still think she is Satan Incarnate because neoliberal warmongering corporatist Wall Street transcripts something something Goldman Sachs something Iraq War vote. Sometimes the far left is just as insufferable as the Trumptards with their Hillary Derangement Syndrome.

[TheSaint250]

No, being corrupt and out of touch did.

There's no doubt that it did.

TBH, you have to be pretty dumb to be a socialist.

[mvd10]

Most American self-identified socialists are actually capitalists who want some modifications. I mean, free college doesn't make a country socialist.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Kind of telling that she's one of those people who think the term is an ideological label.

[RINO Tom]

This is what we all wanted from the beginning, for her to be "authentic" and "honest." Now when she is, people still complain. Hillary can never make anyone happy.

That's not the point.  She's completely delusional, and she's focus on every single one of the thousand paper cuts that did her in as the *reason* she lost, depending on which interview she's given.  Sexism cost her the election?  Democrats were peddling the narrative of "anyone who wouldn't vote for a Black/female/gay/foreign/whatever candidate is voting Republican already" narrative MANY, many years before 2016.  Being a "capitalist" cost her votes in the primary?  So what?  You WON the primary; why do you even care?!  It just comes across as her chastising 40% of her own party.  Trump won in places that "weren't dynamic" and were kind of down and out?  THAT'S YOUR FAULT.  You're the frickin' Democratic nominee for President, stopping in town halls across the country claiming that you're the party that stands up for the little guy and that Republicans only stand up for affluent, White men, and then you turn around and talk about Trump voters like they're these icky undesirables that weren't good enough to vote for you?

The woman, through the most subtle ways (ways that are easy to explain away and defend by her supporters on a case by case basis but start to point to a trend when they're literally all she talks about now) but over and over, gives off the impression that she's an elitist.  Period.  That, predictably, cost her votes that she needed as the nominee of a liberal political party (an ideology that is at least SUPPOSED to stand against elitism and concentrated wealth and power), and now she's bitter about it even though she should have seen it coming from a mile away.  Being a woman cost her votes.  Being a "capitalist" (like every other Democratic nominee ever, BTW) probably cost her some primary votes.  Refusing to be as *racist* as Trump cost her votes (but won her others).  You know what would have EASILY made up the difference?  If she had appeared to genuinely care about the disadvantaged in America.  Did she actually?  How the hell would I know?  Is that unfair that enough voters doubted her authenticity?  Sure, but I think it was unfair that Romney suffered the same problem.  Her job as a politician - and specifically a Democratic one - is to convince voters that she cares about their problems and that she'll be the one to improve their struggling situation.  She failed, pure and simple, and since that is the career she entered by choice, it's a pretty bad look for her to be making excuses.

[heatcharger]

Democrats were peddling the narrative of "anyone who wouldn't vote for a Black/female/gay/foreign/whatever candidate is voting Republican already" narrative MANY, many years before 2016.  

I agree with this actually. I hate when Democrats trot out that line as an excuse to to support candidates who might have character flaws.

But I'm not really sure why you spilled all those words over a off-handed comment she made in response to a question directly about this idea that being a capitalist hurt her. I mean, you even agree:

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There's not much more to it, but people always extrapolate the worst in literally any statement, no matter how succinct. That's kind of annoying.

[BenBurch]

Most American self-identified socialists are actually capitalists who want some modifications. I mean, free college doesn't make a country socialist.

True.  I disagree, however, with free college.  I do think tuition should be reduced, but through cutting some classes and programs which don't really create jobs, or by making the students taking those unnecessary courses pay for them themselves.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

To quote from Hamlet:

"Words, words, words."

[HagridOfTheDeep]

She’s not “focusing on” this. She was asked a pointed question about it and gave a brief response. Maybe she was a bit disdainful, but I think she has every right to be disdainful in her lament that nuance doesn’t sell. Because, you know... it should.

[publicunofficial]

Most American self-identified socialists are actually capitalists who want some modifications. I mean, free college doesn't make a country socialist.

This is a true; and you can blame Republicans for that for drilling "Anyone who supports these very basic industry regulations, or feels any sort of anger at the 1% for the global financial crisis, is a socialist" into a generation's head.

[uti2]

That seems like a gross mischaracterization of the primary and the Sanders surge.

Perhaps they aren't "socialists" per se, but there is a far-left voting bloc in the Democratic party. Obama's '08 coalition composed of these people + the Black Vote (while Hillary won centrists and non-AA minorities), in 2016, this bloc had an unfiltered candidate in the form of Sanders, while Hillary won the Centrists combined with the whole Minority Vote.


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[Da2017]

She refuses to go away. Will she ever move on? She lost because of baggage and her awful campaign.

[Kyle Rittenhouse is a Political Prisoner]

It's amazing how everything Hillary says gets seized upon as an opportunity to dig up old criticisms, no matter how irrelevant they are.