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« Reply #425 on: April 21, 2019, 05:23:30 pm »

Spark498 has been banned from Atlasia for one month for using a sock account to influence the game.
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« Reply #426 on: April 21, 2019, 05:28:15 pm »

Spark498 has been banned from Atlasia for one month for using a sock account to influence the game.
What was the sock?
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« Reply #427 on: April 21, 2019, 05:29:52 pm »

Spark498 has been banned from Atlasia for one month for using a sock account to influence the game.
What was the sock?

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?action=profile;u=13720
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« Reply #428 on: April 21, 2019, 05:51:17 pm »

Spark498 has been banned from Atlasia for one month for using a sock account to influence the game.

Only 1 month?!?!

Make it the entire forum for 1 month or make it 3 months on that subforum for fairness. The latter is the same length that UWS was banned from the election games subforum when he sockpuppeted to cheat.
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« Reply #429 on: April 21, 2019, 06:00:56 pm »

Spark498 has been banned from Atlasia for one month for using a sock account to influence the game.

Only 1 month?!?!

Make it the entire forum for 1 month or make it 3 months on that subforum for fairness. The latter is the same length that UWS was banned from the election games subforum when he sockpuppeted to cheat.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but Solid has a very valid point here. Sockpuppetry is usually dealt with very harshly by the mod team, and is pretty much the most common path to permabanning. Usually just the creation of such a sock can be reason for a one month (or, oftentimes, longer) ban from the forum as a whole. And instead, he's not banned from most of the forum at all - and only gets a month kicked off of the game he was literally cheating in.

He isn't even going to miss any elections - he can just come right back and run for office as if nothing ever happened!

This seems to be some...rather strange consistency on this subject.
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« Reply #430 on: April 21, 2019, 06:04:32 pm »

UWS's game-specific ban wasn't even going to happen until it was noticed that he was cheating, and not only that, but meaningful affected the game(s) he was playing.

I considered that, and that this sock was created long ago and not conclusive if the sole purpose was cheating, and that whatever he was trying to do was not even meaningful because the votes were invalid due to AFE's residency rules.
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« Reply #431 on: April 21, 2019, 06:21:52 pm »

There needs to be a standard set penalty for making a sock, instead of it being randomly either a slap on the wrist or a permaban.
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« Reply #432 on: April 21, 2019, 06:34:23 pm »

There needs to be a standard set penalty for making a sock, instead of it being randomly either a slap on the wrist or a permaban.

Generally, making a sock to avoid a permaban or a tempban automatically gets someone a permaban. Not sure what happens if its to avoid a mute. Doing it to avoid mod review or a warning tends to get someone a tempban. Doing so when you main account is in technically good standing beforehand seems to get the lowest penalties.
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« Reply #433 on: April 21, 2019, 07:08:23 pm »

Why do people always make socks? Can't they get the message that it won't do any good for them?
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« Reply #434 on: April 21, 2019, 07:45:39 pm »

How about we just convince Dave to delete the forum as a whole? No more socks.
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« Reply #435 on: April 21, 2019, 08:07:08 pm »

There needs to be a standard set penalty for making a sock, instead of it being randomly either a slap on the wrist or a permaban.

Generally, making a sock to avoid a permaban or a tempban automatically gets someone a permaban. Not sure what happens if its to avoid a mute. Doing it to avoid mod review or a warning tends to get someone a tempban. Doing so when you main account is in technically good standing beforehand seems to get the lowest penalties.

Tender got a warning for making a sock when he was muted. It was just a warning, since the muting was an error in first place.
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« Reply #436 on: April 21, 2019, 08:08:07 pm »

Why do people always make socks? Can't they get the message that it won't do any good for them?

Because people tend not to think?
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« Reply #437 on: April 21, 2019, 08:16:27 pm »

Honestly, it's surprising how lenient we've become with regard to sockpuppetry. I always thought the forum was too strict on the matter in general, but alas.

To be fair, you can argue there should be a distinction between socks for the purposes of Fantasyland versus other activities, but yeah...as has already been said, it's at the point now where there aren't any consequences if a 1-month game ban is all it entails. A lot of people would be happy to be banned for a month or two if they could just create a bunch of socks and affect an election (especially if they themselves will be able to vote in the next regularly scheduled election as if nothing happened).
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« Reply #438 on: April 21, 2019, 09:48:23 pm »

There needs to be a standard set penalty for making a sock, instead of it being randomly either a slap on the wrist or a permaban.

Generally, making a sock to avoid a permaban or a tempban automatically gets someone a permaban. Not sure what happens if its to avoid a mute. Doing it to avoid mod review or a warning tends to get someone a tempban. Doing so when you main account is in technically good standing beforehand seems to get the lowest penalties.

Tender got a warning for making a sock when he was muted. It was just a warning, since the muting was an error in first place.

I am talking about intentional mutes here.

The only case where I truly remember this sort of thing was when AZ Cactus was permabanned for making a sock while muted, but a flaw in that comparison is that AZ Cactus was as a result simultaneously found to have been a sock of a yet a different permanently banned account from years prior at the same time as they were caught making a sock to avoid a mute.
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« Reply #439 on: April 21, 2019, 10:48:06 pm »

A first offense for a sock is often a warning for the sockmaster and a ban of the sock. Repeat sock offenses generally lead to ban. Each case is viewed on its own merits looking at posting history of the user.

If a sock is created to avoid a sanction, except to communicate with mods, then it generally results in an immediate permaban for the sockmaster.

Permabanned users are allowed to appeal to the mods for reinstatement, and a new account may be created to make the appeal and not be viewed as a sock.
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« Reply #440 on: April 22, 2019, 03:46:11 am »

Spark498 has been banned from Atlasia for one month for using a sock account to influence the game.

Ugh wish I read this thread before voting
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« Reply #441 on: April 22, 2019, 05:02:13 am »

Spark498 has been banned from Atlasia for one month for using a sock account to influence the game.

Ugh wish I read this thread before voting

A 5th pref in Atlasia is very unlikely to make the difference, especially since you preferenced the people Spakr needs to beat above him.
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« Reply #442 on: April 22, 2019, 10:36:05 am »

Honestly, it's surprising how lenient we've become with regard to sockpuppetry. I always thought the forum was too strict on the matter in general, but alas.

To be fair, you can argue there should be a distinction between socks for the purposes of Fantasyland versus other activities, but yeah...as has already been said, it's at the point now where there aren't any consequences if a 1-month game ban is all it entails. A lot of people would be happy to be banned for a month or two if they could just create a bunch of socks and affect an election (especially if they themselves will be able to vote in the next regularly scheduled election as if nothing happened).

Worth noting that the consecuences on Fantasyland can be different than those on the forum itself. While Spark's ban might last for only one month, he could be further punished in-game with extra time banned from voting/holding office.

Spark could be punished with say, a 1 month ban from posting (by the mods) and a 5 month ban from voting and holding office (in game).

The consequences from an in-game punishment and a forum ban are different. A Forum ban doesn't allow you to post while an in-game punishement does allow you to at least comment on stuff.
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« Reply #443 on: April 30, 2019, 12:43:48 pm »

Worth noting that the consecuences on Fantasyland can be different than those on the forum itself. While Spark's ban might last for only one month, he could be further punished in-game with extra time banned from voting/holding office.

Didn't know that Atlasia practiced felon disenfranchisement
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« Reply #444 on: April 30, 2019, 01:26:36 pm »

Worth noting that the consecuences on Fantasyland can be different than those on the forum itself. While Spark's ban might last for only one month, he could be further punished in-game with extra time banned from voting/holding office.

Didn't know that Atlasia practiced felon disenfranchisement

Well, we don't really have jails or fines in Atlasia for more than obvious reasons, the only punishments that can be done are bans from voting and bans from holding office.
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« Reply #445 on: May 01, 2019, 12:15:33 pm »

Worth noting that the consecuences on Fantasyland can be different than those on the forum itself. While Spark's ban might last for only one month, he could be further punished in-game with extra time banned from voting/holding office.

Didn't know that Atlasia practiced felon disenfranchisement

Well, we don't really have jails or fines in Atlasia for more than obvious reasons, the only punishments that can be done are bans from voting and bans from holding office.

     Imagine if you got charged real money for committing crimes in Atlasia.
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« Reply #446 on: May 01, 2019, 12:23:50 pm »

I remember times when sockpupetting used to be a massive problem in Atlasia. In my opinion if someone makes a sock account in order to chat in Atlasia or any other forum game, said person should be banned from using said boards for longer period of time, preferably three months at minimum. Atlasia and other games are a very important elements of the forum community and there should be no mercy here.

I don't care what punishment a person caught on cheating may receive in Atlasia. That's up to the players. Said person should still feel the consequences of violating the ToS to the fullest.

And, to clarify, I don't think (would be pretty hypocritical for me to say otherwise, given my past record) making a sock should led to automatic ban or other harsh sanction. I mean mostly harmless sock, as opposed to what we've been discussing here or keep creating ones. But it's diffrent from what we've been dealing with in this thread.
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« Reply #447 on: May 08, 2019, 12:26:23 am »

Who were TexArkana's socks?
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« Reply #448 on: May 09, 2019, 05:40:58 am »

Worth noting that the consecuences on Fantasyland can be different than those on the forum itself. While Spark's ban might last for only one month, he could be further punished in-game with extra time banned from voting/holding office.

Didn't know that Atlasia practiced felon disenfranchisement

Well, we don't really have jails or fines in Atlasia for more than obvious reasons, the only punishments that can be done are bans from voting and bans from holding office.

     Imagine if you got charged real money for committing crimes in Atlasia.

If you go the negative route, then with that comes the positive (which can also be negative depending your perspective) and by that I mean the Atlasia equivalent of loot boxes.

microtransactions! they are taking over the world.
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« Reply #449 on: May 09, 2019, 01:38:59 pm »

We should have Leip bucks.  In Dave We Trust.
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