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« Reply #175 on: September 15, 2018, 04:17:08 pm »

I find it hard to believe that his banning was entirely due to ''disrespectful behavior'' and had nothing to do with his beliefs, considering the fact that there are numerous leftist posters who are routinely far more disrespectful and hostile to their opponents than he ever was. The most his ''trolling'' usually amounted to was just gloating about Republicans doing well in polls or Democrats losing elections.

If you're going to have a double standard, at least be honest about it.
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« Reply #176 on: September 15, 2018, 04:54:28 pm »

krazen1211 has been permabanned

I don't like Krazen, but Reaganfan should've been permabanned first.
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« Reply #177 on: September 15, 2018, 05:27:34 pm »

More evidence that if Trump were an Atlas user, he'd end up getting banned.

I really don't see how people can argue that krazen was banned for his beliefs, when there are many users on this forum who support or at least defend Trump, and plenty of conservative users that no one (to my knowledge) even suggests banning. Frankly, even if he wasn't as malicious as some users, he pretty much became a one-trick pony with his "Great poll"/"The party of stupid" shtick.
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« Reply #178 on: September 15, 2018, 06:05:52 pm »

krazen1211 has been permabanned

There are much worse posters, but this is still good news! 

krazen1211 has been permabanned

YAY

Please ban Reaganfan next!

krazen was just a troll, but Reaganfan provides an important service to the forum by showing people here how the generic Republican thinks.

Stop


Stop what? Are you implying he isn't representative of the vast majority of Republicans?

Of course he isnít representative of the vast majority of Republicans.
Agree, heís way too moderate
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« Reply #179 on: September 15, 2018, 06:06:44 pm »

I find it hard to believe that his banning was entirely due to ''disrespectful behavior'' and had nothing to do with his beliefs, considering the fact that there are numerous leftist posters who are routinely far more disrespectful and hostile to their opponents than he ever was. The most his ''trolling'' usually amounted to was just gloating about Republicans doing well in polls or Democrats losing elections.

If you're going to have a double standard, at least be honest about it.

Um, the guy literally believed that teachers were worse than Nazis and pedophiles.
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« Reply #180 on: September 15, 2018, 06:19:34 pm »

krazen1211 has been permabanned

There are much worse posters, but this is still good news! 

krazen1211 has been permabanned

YAY

Please ban Reaganfan next!

krazen was just a troll, but Reaganfan provides an important service to the forum by showing people here how the generic Republican thinks.

Stop


Stop what? Are you implying he isn't representative of the vast majority of Republicans?

Of course he isnít representative of the vast majority of Republicans.
Agree, heís way too moderate

LOL. This seriously might be true, unironically.
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« Reply #181 on: September 15, 2018, 07:04:08 pm »

I find it hard to believe that his banning was entirely due to ''disrespectful behavior'' and had nothing to do with his beliefs, considering the fact that there are numerous leftist posters who are routinely far more disrespectful and hostile to their opponents than he ever was.

Disrespectful behavior alone is not grounds for banning, as you note. There is a lot of vigorous and passionate debate on Atlas. The distinguishing trait with krazen is that for the last several years, all he has contributed to this forum is his specific style of posts, without engagement or contribution. He has been banned and warned in the past and never changed.
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« Reply #182 on: September 15, 2018, 07:11:23 pm »

Goodbye, I am quitting Atlas after the conclusion of the college football pick'em contest.

See you in a week. Wink
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« Reply #183 on: September 15, 2018, 07:13:29 pm »

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« Reply #184 on: September 15, 2018, 07:16:29 pm »

I find it hard to believe that his banning was entirely due to ''disrespectful behavior'' and had nothing to do with his beliefs, considering the fact that there are numerous leftist posters who are routinely far more disrespectful and hostile to their opponents than he ever was. The most his ''trolling'' usually amounted to was just gloating about Republicans doing well in polls or Democrats losing elections.

If you're going to have a double standard, at least be honest about it.


Quit whining and making conspiracy theories, Thomas. You yourself are living proof that ideology doesn't get one banned around here unless it is literally a KKK or neo nazi hate group. You are far more strident and expressive in your extreme conservative views, well, extreme to me at least, and more power to you.

Crazy should have been banned for his trolling a long time ago. On the other hand, I have never once ever recommended publicly or privately that you even be considered for such a ban. Nor do I suspect many others have. People might disagree with you, even be offended for some of the crazy s*** you say at times, but at least we would all give you that you are not a troll.
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« Reply #185 on: September 15, 2018, 07:28:52 pm »

I didn't claim that he was solely banned for his ideology, but rather that his ideology led to him being punished more severely than a number of leftists who the same criticisms can easily be applied to.
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« Reply #186 on: September 15, 2018, 08:18:42 pm »


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« Reply #187 on: September 15, 2018, 08:22:54 pm »

Which was the first non-spam account to be banned?
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« Reply #188 on: September 15, 2018, 09:07:55 pm »

I'm really disappointed in the mods, but the atlas base seems to be happy, so I just want an answer to this question. Why now? He has been on for 7 years, and has very similar posts throughout his time on the atlas (with the exception of redistricting posts). Not to mention, based on this ban, I have got a laundry list of other people who should be banned.

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« Reply #189 on: September 15, 2018, 09:20:01 pm »

Seven years too late tbh
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« Reply #190 on: September 15, 2018, 09:52:42 pm »

I'm really disappointed in the mods, but the atlas base seems to be happy, so I just want an answer to this question. Why now? He has been on for 7 years, and has very similar posts throughout his time on the atlas (with the exception of redistricting posts). Not to mention, based on this ban, I have got a laundry list of other people who should be banned.

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If you would like to recommend to someone how to get banned in the year since we put the sanction tools in place, here is what you might say.

First get a lot of infractions for trolling, spam, personal attacks, hatefulness, etc and get on the mods radar, resulting in going onto formal warned status.

Next keep it up until you get muted or put on moderator review.

When that expires back off for a while, but then eventually go back to your original behavior, and get warned again for excessive infractions.

Keep it up at a high level and get a temp ban.

When that expires lie low for a while and behave.

Then ramp up again with more moderated posts when the mood strikes or the right event triggers you.

Wait for a serious mod discussion to take place and accept a permaban.
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« Reply #191 on: September 15, 2018, 10:30:06 pm »

Which was the first non-spam account to be banned?

I don't know, but it's been happening at least since 2004:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=9359.0
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« Reply #192 on: September 15, 2018, 10:49:17 pm »

I hated him but he did not deserve a ban.
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« Reply #193 on: September 15, 2018, 10:50:11 pm »

Which was the first non-spam account to be banned?

I don't know, but it's been happening at least since 2004:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=9359.0


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« Reply #194 on: September 16, 2018, 05:42:42 am »

krazen1211 has been permabanned

Splendid news!
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« Reply #195 on: September 16, 2018, 07:19:22 am »

I am quite amazed at the banning charades that occur on this forum. I've stated what was also stated before in this thread, that the President of the United States, who won over 300 electoral votes less than two years ago, would find himself "banned" on this U.S. Election Atlas Forum.

It's quite dispicable.

I think I figured out what happened. The moderators, especially those on the left, have begun to impliment banning and moderation policies that essentially say, "We will remove anything hateful, racist, xenophobic, ect ect" but then policies and issues that matter (and influence votes) in millions and millions of Americans are then labeled those things by the left, and thus, they are banned/deleted.

For example, I had a post removed for "trolling" when I responded to a thread about Trump having near 90% approval ratings among Republican voters. I said, "Good luck with Kasich 2020". That's a valid opinion, a highly likely correct opinion, and it isn't hateful, or racist, or intolerant or whatever the flavor trigger of the day is. Yet it was deleted for "trolling". How the hell was I trolling? I was making a valid point that the 99% of anti-Trump "blue avatars" on here or on MSNBC or CNN represent very little of the entire Republican electorate. That's not trolling. Trolling would be if I had posted, "Kasich sucks eat it losers" or something like that.

I also had a post regarding the irony of Anderson Cooper and Stormy Daniels, a gay man and a porn star, discussing morality. That post was deleted for "hatefulness". How is that hatefulness? You realize that millions upon millions of American voters would hear what I said and nod their heads in agreement? How the hell is that hateful? It's a very valid opinion that there could be some implicit irony in my statement.

I had another post deleted for "hatefulness" after I said that crazy bald high school protester chick looked like "Sid from Toy Story". But people post threads regarding "orange cheeto" referring to the Commander in Chief of the United States. Why is that not deleted for "hatefulness"?

You can't have it one way and not the other. The double standards have to stop.

Posts deleted for "Excessive Hyperbole". I'm turning 30 years old next month and I had to freaking google what the hell "hyperbole" was.

It seems to me that 99% of the people who "moderate" this forum would find millions and millions of Americans "hateful", full of "excessive hyperbole", and "trolls". Including, probably, the most powerful person in the world, Donald Trump.

Quite despicable, and it shows how out of touch they are. Maybe they know it, but don't want to admit it. In their own world, they can just live in a bubble and close us out of it.
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« Reply #196 on: September 16, 2018, 07:35:55 am »

RF, it is perhaps true that not every post you have made that was infracted should have been. But many of them should have been, and some of your posts have caused serious consideration in the Cave about your banning. It is no doubt true that there are millions of Americans and others who hold your views (particularly about holding negative stereotypes of large groups that are wholly inappropriate and deemed a form of bigotry). The management of this forum has fashioned a policy that an expression of those views is not going to be tolerated here.

In your post above you actually publish that Anderson has no right to comment on the morality of others because he is gay. Just how you could consider that comment to be acceptable under our TOS escapes me. That is not only a violation of the TOS, but a serious one. Not that it matters, but I take that shot of yours kind of personally. I can't comment either about what I think about Trump's ethics, or anyone else's, because I am gay?

The most amazing thing is that I suspect you have no idea just how outrageously offensive that genre of statements that you make is. Just as you do not, whenever you get near any topic that involves Jews, including posting that disgusting image that almost got you permanently rather than temporarily banned.  

I will say this. At least in your personal image of the village of the damned, it is a very diverse community. Browns, blacks, Jews, gays, and Muslims and perhaps non gay white cosmopolitans perhaps all living together as one big family. [Probably should not have posted this]

Oh, one other thing for the rest of the world out there. This post by RF is a really good example of why, at least in the case of some, it is very unwise to be your own lawyer. You might end up hanging yourself.
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« Reply #197 on: September 16, 2018, 07:51:38 am »

RF, it is perhaps true that not every post you have made that was infracted should have been. But many of them should have been, and some of your posts have caused serious consideration in the Cave about your banning. It is no doubt true that there are millions of Americans and others who hold your views (particularly about holding negative stereotypes of large groups that are wholly inappropriate and deemed a form of bigotry). The management of this forum has fashioned a policy that an expression of those views is not going to be tolerated here.

In your post above you actually publish that Anderson has no right to comment on the morality of others because he is gay. Just how you could consider that comment to be acceptable under our TOS escapes me. That is not only a violation of the TOS, but a serious one. Not that it matters, but I take that shot of yours kind of personally. I can't comment either about what I think about Trump's ethics, or anyone else's, because I am gay?

The most amazing thing is that I suspect you have no idea just how outrageously offensive that genre of statements that you make is. Just as you do not, whenever you get near any topic that involves Jews, including posting that disgusting image that almost got you permanently rather than temporarily banned. 

I will say this. At least in your personal image of the village of the damned, it is a very diverse community. Browns, blacks, Jews, gays, and Muslims and perhaps non gay white cosmopolitans perhaps all living together as one big family.

Oh, one other thing for the rest of the world out there. This post by RF is a really good example of why, at least in the case of some, it is very unwise to be your own lawyer. You might end up hanging yourself.

Again, this shows how outrageous you guys are. You keep acting like it's some "gotcha" moment. I'm not racist. I'm not sexist. I don't dislike Jewish people. But I also am not going to be politically correct.

But, you guys have to admit, you have become very, very hair-trigger politically correct the last few years.

I think that's what anti-Trumpism in and of itself is all about. It's not about a tax cut disagreement, or about whether or not he should repeal this regulation or that. It's about the fact that he said things some people found offensive. Well, I'm sorry but what you just said to me, I found offensive. That doesn't mean you don't have a right to say them. This isn't a George Orwell novel.

I've been on this message board for almost 15 years. The fact that you guys roll over backwards in agony wondering about banning me would be like whether or not to ban the harmless man who has been riding the same bus everyday for 20 years because a new rider thinks he is suspicious looking.

But if I am banned, I don't care anymore. This forum has become a joke. It's pretty much anti-Trump threads and eager posts about Trump approval polls (the same polls that showed he couldn't be elected President). Trigger happy moderators who have "Terms and Conditions" that should essentially read "Must be liberal".

You guys are trying to make being rightwing politically incorrect, and then saying anything politically incorrect gets banned. Thus, you ban anyone rightwing. That's sure as hell what it seems like.

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« Reply #198 on: September 16, 2018, 08:25:18 am »

RF, there's a line between political commentary and ethnic accusations. This is a private forum and posts are subject to the Terms of Service he established. Dave Leip does occasionally weigh in on posts and how he thinks they should be moderated. These were from three years ago, he felt were ok as political commentary:





But this one was out of bounds in his opinion.

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« Reply #199 on: September 16, 2018, 08:50:16 am »

Very amused at the idea that Mike Naso has read a novel, let alone 1984. Let's have a literary discussion! Thoughts on the character of O'Brien and his role in the development of the plot?
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