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« Reply #25 on: May 20, 2018, 08:29:01 PM »

Yes a tax she proposed got Amazon to stop expanding in Seattle.
You say that as if Amazon continuing to expand in Seattle is A. Necessarily a good thing and B. the most important thing.


A. It is
B. It is important

75% of republicans live in an evidence-free world. So do 40% of democrats.

Because bigger multinational corporations are the meaning of life Roll Eyes.

She also supports Nationalizing Banks
And thats somehow "evidence free" because why?
Because when the f c k  has that lunacy worked?
Where has it been fully tried in an environment that wasn't comically mismanaged in every way, etc?
I mean, many countries like sweden have partially nationalized banks successfully, so don't act like its 100% evil.
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« Reply #26 on: May 21, 2018, 12:36:49 AM »

Yes a tax she proposed got Amazon to stop expanding in Seattle.
You say that as if Amazon continuing to expand in Seattle is A. Necessarily a good thing and B. the most important thing.


A. It is
B. It is important

75% of republicans live in an evidence-free world. So do 40% of democrats.

Because bigger multinational corporations are the meaning of life Roll Eyes.

She also supports Nationalizing Banks
And thats somehow "evidence free" because why?
Because it's objectively bad economic policy that makes everybody worse off.
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« Reply #27 on: May 21, 2018, 12:46:37 AM »

Yes a tax she proposed got Amazon to stop expanding in Seattle.
You say that as if Amazon continuing to expand in Seattle is A. Necessarily a good thing and B. the most important thing.


A. It is
B. It is important

75% of republicans live in an evidence-free world. So do 40% of democrats.

Because bigger multinational corporations are the meaning of life Roll Eyes.

She also supports Nationalizing Banks
And thats somehow "evidence free" because why?
Because it's objectively bad economic policy that makes everybody worse off.
Says the literal neoliberal.
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« Reply #28 on: May 21, 2018, 08:05:40 AM »

Yes a tax she proposed got Amazon to stop expanding in Seattle.
You say that as if Amazon continuing to expand in Seattle is A. Necessarily a good thing and B. the most important thing.


A. It is
B. It is important

75% of republicans live in an evidence-free world. So do 40% of democrats.

Because bigger multinational corporations are the meaning of life Roll Eyes.

She also supports Nationalizing Banks
And thats somehow "evidence free" because why?
Because it's objectively bad economic policy that makes everybody worse off.
Says the literal neoliberal.
Pretending that neoliberal is a slur doesn't make it wrong.
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« Reply #29 on: May 21, 2018, 10:38:15 AM »
« Edited: May 21, 2018, 10:48:12 AM by Heinous »

Yes a tax she proposed got Amazon to stop expanding in Seattle.
You say that as if Amazon continuing to expand in Seattle is A. Necessarily a good thing and B. the most important thing.


A. It is
B. It is important

75% of republicans live in an evidence-free world. So do 40% of democrats.

Because bigger multinational corporations are the meaning of life Roll Eyes.

She also supports Nationalizing Banks
And thats somehow "evidence free" because why?
Because it's objectively bad economic policy that makes everybody worse off.
Says the literal neoliberal.
Pretending that neoliberal is a slur doesn't make it wrong.

Could it be that the facts are the facts but they still don't matter because we have no interest in the benefits of committing to fact-based policy but want to pursue different objectives instead?

I could buy the argument in that there is no "war on facts", certain people hold some subjective things with more value than what could be considered by the students of the subjects the objective good.

How much is 100000 coal workers' livelihood worth against a 6 foot rise in sea level and say a 200% increase in weather-based losses and say a 10% increase in crop yields?

How much is an endangered animal worth compared to hundreds of millions of dollars in timber revenue?

What is even having fewer abortions through liberal measures compared to a new wave of mass incarceration and no fewer abortions but the sentiment of having your identity enshrined by the powers that be?

I imagine "I just don't care" is a more common and honest explanation of why you oppose good government or support bad government instead of "fake news". Sure, it's more callous but it also shifts the conversation to the real issues.
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« Reply #30 on: May 21, 2018, 01:00:36 PM »

It's true that people are disagreeing to some extent because of different values rather than different facts. But false facts are increasingly mainstream. At the RNC, Trump claimed that the crime rate was at a 46 year high, which was blatantly wrong. That's not a different perspective on criminal justice. That is living in an evidence free world.
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« Reply #31 on: May 21, 2018, 01:11:37 PM »

On the issue of climate change, I am sure the reason most republicans dont believe is that the issue has become so politicized and the vehemently are against the solutions the Democrats have on the issue. In my opinion, they should say yes we believe climate change is real but we oppose a Carbon Tax , or oppose new regulations cause it would negatively impact their own livelihoods.
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« Reply #32 on: May 21, 2018, 06:02:34 PM »

Yes a tax she proposed got Amazon to stop expanding in Seattle.
You say that as if Amazon continuing to expand in Seattle is A. Necessarily a good thing and B. the most important thing.


A. It is
B. It is important

75% of republicans live in an evidence-free world. So do 40% of democrats.

Because bigger multinational corporations are the meaning of life Roll Eyes.

She also supports Nationalizing Banks
And thats somehow "evidence free" because why?
Because it's objectively bad economic policy that makes everybody worse off.
Says the literal neoliberal.
I'm a Neoliberal, and proud of it. Neoliberalism has created the greatest and wealthiest society the world has ever seen, and we need more of it, not less.
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« Reply #33 on: May 21, 2018, 06:37:41 PM »

Yes a tax she proposed got Amazon to stop expanding in Seattle.
You say that as if Amazon continuing to expand in Seattle is A. Necessarily a good thing and B. the most important thing.


A. It is
B. It is important

75% of republicans live in an evidence-free world. So do 40% of democrats.

Because bigger multinational corporations are the meaning of life Roll Eyes.

Expanding companies in a city can only be good for the city...providing jobs, taxable income, etc.  Plus, I f'ing love architecture and would love to see more buildings go up. 
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« Reply #34 on: May 21, 2018, 07:12:43 PM »

Yes a tax she proposed got Amazon to stop expanding in Seattle.
You say that as if Amazon continuing to expand in Seattle is A. Necessarily a good thing and B. the most important thing.


A. It is
B. It is important

75% of republicans live in an evidence-free world. So do 40% of democrats.

Because bigger multinational corporations are the meaning of life Roll Eyes.

She also supports Nationalizing Banks
And thats somehow "evidence free" because why?
Because it's objectively bad economic policy that makes everybody worse off.
Says the literal neoliberal.
I'm a Neoliberal, and proud of it. Neoliberalism has created the greatest and wealthiest society the world has ever seen, and we need more of it, not less.
For the rich people, yes it has. For the poor and working classes? Not at all.
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« Reply #35 on: May 21, 2018, 09:05:10 PM »

Yes a tax she proposed got Amazon to stop expanding in Seattle.
You say that as if Amazon continuing to expand in Seattle is A. Necessarily a good thing and B. the most important thing.


A. It is
B. It is important

75% of republicans live in an evidence-free world. So do 40% of democrats.

Because bigger multinational corporations are the meaning of life Roll Eyes.

She also supports Nationalizing Banks
And thats somehow "evidence free" because why?
Because it's objectively bad economic policy that makes everybody worse off.
Says the literal neoliberal.
I'm a Neoliberal, and proud of it. Neoliberalism has created the greatest and wealthiest society the world has ever seen, and we need more of it, not less.
For the rich people, yes it has. For the poor and working classes? Not at all.
Or at least for a while it did. Now it has the same inefficiencies caused by rent seeking behavior that social democracy has with unions except In neoliberalism, inefficiency is caused by the rent seeking of very large estates, not democratic institutions.
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« Reply #36 on: May 22, 2018, 03:32:37 PM »

On the issue of climate change, I am sure the reason most republicans dont believe is that the issue has become so politicized and the vehemently are against the solutions the Democrats have on the issue. In my opinion, they should say yes we believe climate change is real but we oppose a Carbon Tax , or oppose new regulations cause it would negatively impact their own livelihoods.

sometimes people basically lie to pollsters just to annoy liberals.or signal disapproval..i mean obviously not everyone does that but it is a factor to consider
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« Reply #37 on: May 24, 2018, 10:28:31 PM »

Yes a tax she proposed got Amazon to stop expanding in Seattle.
You say that as if Amazon continuing to expand in Seattle is A. Necessarily a good thing and B. the most important thing.


A. It is
B. It is important

75% of republicans live in an evidence-free world. So do 40% of democrats.


80%-90% of all Americans live in an evidence-free world.
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« Reply #38 on: May 29, 2018, 08:22:49 AM »

Yes a tax she proposed got Amazon to stop expanding in Seattle.
You say that as if Amazon continuing to expand in Seattle is A. Necessarily a good thing and B. the most important thing.


A. It is
B. It is important

75% of republicans live in an evidence-free world. So do 40% of democrats.


80%-90% of all Americans live in an evidence-free world.

Yep, honestly I think to the answer to this is that almost all voters are terrible and don’t care about evidence on most things. I’m not trying to “both-sides” it, but I really doubt that Sanders stans read up on minimum wage empirical literature, or most GOPers read Climage change studies.

So the Democrat party has been better in recent years (especially post-Dubya) mostly just because the establishment has been more in charge, and so has been more ingrained with academia and scientific consensus, as opposed to the full-populist GOP (since around 2009).
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« Reply #39 on: May 29, 2018, 06:59:29 PM »

Yes a tax she proposed got Amazon to stop expanding in Seattle.
You say that as if Amazon continuing to expand in Seattle is A. Necessarily a good thing and B. the most important thing.


A. It is
B. It is important

75% of republicans live in an evidence-free world. So do 40% of democrats.


80%-90% of all Americans live in an evidence-free world.

Yep, honestly I think to the answer to this is that almost all voters are terrible and don’t care about evidence on most things. I’m not trying to “both-sides” it, but I really doubt that Sanders stans read up on minimum wage empirical literature, or most GOPers read Climage change studies.

So the Democrat party has been better in recent years (especially post-Dubya) mostly just because the establishment has been more in charge, and so has been more ingrained with academia and scientific consensus, as opposed to the full-populist GOP (since around 2009).

That's a pretty fair way to look at it. And honestly, I agree. That's partly why I think "populism" is dangerous, on both sides of the political spectrum.
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