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« on: May 24, 2018, 03:22:42 PM »

A subject after my own heart.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2018-05-24/three-scientists-talk-about-how-their-faith-fits-with-their-work/9543772?pfmredir=ms

Can one co-exist as a scientist who believes that the world is 4.6 billion years old and most elements on Earth were formed by fusion of smaller elements during interstellar collisions.



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« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2018, 03:36:10 PM »

I'd say this - it's atheistic nonsense to say science and religion inherently conflict.
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« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2018, 07:12:39 PM »

I'd say this - it's atheistic nonsense to say science and religion inherently conflict.
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« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2018, 08:19:38 PM »

I'd say this - it's atheistic nonsense to say science and religion inherently conflict.

Agreed, but Fundamentalist Christians say that way more often that atheists do.
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« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2018, 09:14:39 PM »

yes, because they exist.
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« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2018, 09:16:20 PM »

Noted podcast host "Science Mike" spoke at my church two weeks ago so...
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« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2018, 10:23:06 PM »

The forefront behind the Big Bang theory was a Catholic priest, who many of his secular scientists dismissed his proposal at first hand due to bias that his idea was too theological to apply real-life science.


Contrary to claims there are a small but significant portion of scientists who do believe in a deity.
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« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2018, 11:16:38 PM »
« Edited: May 25, 2018, 08:43:32 AM by RINO Tom »

The forefront behind the Big Bang theory was a Catholic priest, who many of his secular scientists dismissed his proposal at first hand due to bias that his idea was too theological to apply real-life science.


Contrary to claims there are a small but significant portion of scientists who do believe in a deity.

Are you citing a poll?

EDIT: It's an old poll (couldn't find much recent stuff), but a Pew poll from 2009 had the breakdown of scientists as follows:

33% believe in "God"
18% believe in a higher power/creator of some sort
41% do not believe in either
7% aren't sure or refused to answer

In other words, 51% believe in a higher power, 41% don't and 7% aren't sure or refused to answer.  It also goes further and says that only 17% of scientists affirmatively identified as "atheists."  Again, I would be interested to see a more recent poll, but when I think of the stereotypical "scientist's view" on the subject and think back to documentaries and articles about physics I've come across, I usually think of sort of a, "I'm not personally religious, but I'm not shutting the door on the possibility that our Universe had an initial "agent" that created it."
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« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2018, 06:15:06 AM »

Our own Muon2 is both. The end.
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« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2018, 11:18:57 PM »

Yes, of course.
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« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2018, 09:54:23 AM »

Of course. No one has told us after we die, what happens to us. Prophets,  Buddha, Jehovah and Elijah says we enter nirvana.  And the prophets say that enlightenment can be obtained through incarnation.
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« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2018, 11:39:23 AM »

Science has the problem of SelfCastration, i.e. ending in an impotent technicism; at the beginning stood genial humanists, who explored new continents, at the end stand specialistic SlaveSouls (Archive+Labor-rats aso.) with primitive prejudices&philosophies. ("NaturalScience" [=technics] can be run by slaves, real natural science cannot [let alone theology or the humanities].)

Religion = intelligence = fruitio DEI
Science = intellect = usus DEI

When seeing the cathedral of Strassbourg, a know-everything+understand-nothing will "explain" this or that fact, while GOETHE went down on His knees.
The intelligent one of them was hic et nunc already in heaven, the other one is in hell.
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« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2018, 12:43:13 PM »

No because religion contains inherent falsehoods that conflict with the realities of science.
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« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2018, 01:07:54 PM »

^ Well, we had an intelligent conversation for a while, guys!  Good run.
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« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2018, 02:29:25 PM »

Gregor Mendel, the father of modern genetics, was an Augustinian friar.
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« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2018, 02:32:27 PM »

Gregor Mendel, the father of modern genetics, was an Augustinian friar.

Similarly, the person who formulated the Big Bang Theory was also a Catholic priest (Georges Lemaître). 
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« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2018, 02:32:47 PM »

Yes.
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« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2018, 05:00:41 PM »

Gregor Mendel, the father of modern genetics, was an Augustinian friar.

Similarly, the person who formulated the Big Bang Theory was also a Catholic priest (Georges Lemaître).  
Or COPERNICUS or PASCAL or DESCARTES aso.

Indeed, all mechanists derive from ARISTOTELES' proton kinoun akineton (who was ironically their first unmovable mover...) and cannot get rid of HIM. (For us sceptics it's very amazing, how all those "atheistic"/"agnostic" "empirists"/materialists/mechanists/positivists/... believe, that the universe is a senseful kosmos without contradictions, revealing us openly its intimatest laws...)

But this is neither a real GOD nor natural science (HUME: "I have seen facts, but I have never seen any 'natural law'.") and the heretical dreams of R.BACON or R.LULLUS have led mankind into a primitive technicism (the totalitarian rule of bourgeoisie/machines/capitalism/sex/sport).
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« Reply #18 on: May 27, 2018, 01:20:39 AM »

My who is a geologist.
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« Reply #19 on: May 28, 2018, 10:57:53 PM »

Tons of religious scientists exist. Most of them got their degrees from places like Bob Jones or other colleges with strong religious leanings, though.

Besides, some fields of science are more open to religion than others. (Someone who works in Medicine would have an easier time than someone who works in Geology, for example.)
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« Reply #20 on: May 28, 2018, 11:54:25 PM »

Tons of religious scientists exist. Most of them got their degrees from places like Bob Jones or other colleges with strong religious leanings, though.

Besides, some fields of science are more open to religion than others. (Someone who works in Medicine would have an easier time than someone who works in Geology, for example.)

You're going to have an extremely hard time finding scientists with degrees from places like Bob Jones, considering they aren't research institutions. Most theistic scientists, much like all other scientists, have degrees from mainstream research universities.

Only the most delusional of atheists in science actually think their peers and coworkers can't, in principle, be religious. When I was in graduate school, probably the majority of the Americans in my department were Christians (I specified Americans because most people from places like China or India had beliefs that were more typical of those countries). I mean, heck, Charles Darwin of all people famously said he saw no contradiction between believing in evolution and believing in Christianity.
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« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2018, 03:31:26 PM »

Tons of religious scientists exist. Most of them got their degrees from places like Bob Jones or other colleges with strong religious leanings, though.

Besides, some fields of science are more open to religion than others. (Someone who works in Medicine would have an easier time than someone who works in Geology, for example.)

You're going to have an extremely hard time finding scientists with degrees from places like Bob Jones, considering they aren't research institutions. Most theistic scientists, much like all other scientists, have degrees from mainstream research universities.


Plenty of lists of religious scientists have been made, and a few of them did get their degrees at religious institutions.
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« Reply #22 on: May 30, 2018, 09:23:29 PM »

Tons of religious scientists exist. Most of them got their degrees from places like Bob Jones or other colleges with strong religious leanings, though.

Besides, some fields of science are more open to religion than others. (Someone who works in Medicine would have an easier time than someone who works in Geology, for example.)

You're going to have an extremely hard time finding scientists with degrees from places like Bob Jones, considering they aren't research institutions. Most theistic scientists, much like all other scientists, have degrees from mainstream research universities.


Plenty of lists of religious scientists have been made, and a few of them did get their degrees at religious institutions.

Sure, but how many of them got degrees from religious institutions like Bob Jones University? Believe me, I am quite aware of the medieval Church's institutional support for science (or, as it was known before the 1800s, natural philosophy). Tongue
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« Reply #23 on: June 01, 2018, 01:07:29 PM »

Yes of course. I'm an atheist, but I know that many great scientists were Christian/Muslim/whatever.
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« Reply #24 on: June 01, 2018, 05:00:26 PM »

Yes, but I think that any scientist who is more than a soft believer (ie someone who is willing to admit that they could be wrong) holds conflicting views. People hold all sorts of conflicting views in spite of all evidence or reason, however, so I’m not sure this debate is framed properly.
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