Once impeachment is ratified, how would the physical removal take place?
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  Once impeachment is ratified, how would the physical removal take place?
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« on: May 24, 2018, 09:32:09 PM »

Once an impeachment is ratified in the Senate, the sitting president is immediately stripped of his powers and the sitting vice president assumes the presidency. I would assume at that point that the ex-president would have to leave the White House grounds at once, since he becomes a trespasser as soon as the verdict is handed down.

This is where things get very interesting. Would the ex-president be removed from the White House via perp walk, in the arms of the Secret Service? If so, in what fashion does the ex-family leave the House? There would be little justification to forcibly remove the spouse and children if they were not convicted of anything, but they technically would have no right to be in the House either. This leads to the assumption that all of the First Family's clothing and personal effects must be packed and ready to go if the sitting president is on trial, for they would have to be ready to leave the premises at a moment's notice.

I have been thinking about this for years. I doubt we will ever see an actual removal in reality (any president in this situation would almost certainly resign if there were the slightest chance of ratification), but there has to be a procedure for it somewhere.
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« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2018, 09:39:40 PM »

They'll probably just take their stuff and leave; the new President would most likely allow them to do so. If the new boss wants to put on a show, however, something more flamboyant will happen.
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« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2018, 11:22:13 PM »

I imagine it would be handled similarly to what happened when Nixon resigned to avoid the inevitable.  After all, unless something scrrwy happened, the President and Vice President will be of the same party and thus the new President is unlikely to go out og his way to humiliate the ex-President unless forced to do so by an ex-President who refused to leave.
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« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2018, 04:09:25 AM »

When Dilma Rouseff was recently impeached and removed from office in Brazil, she was given plenty of times to time to move out of the Palácio da Alvorada.

With a impeached U.S. President it would be tricky, since, per law, she or he would automatically lose all post-presidential privileges. Said person wouldn't even be eligible for Secret Service protection, so I imagine it would be really inconvenient to have her or him linger around the White House.
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« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2018, 03:31:20 PM »

Assuming a friendly Vice President was taking over, they could certainly give the ex-president a deadline to vacate the White House. If we’re talking about a President who is in denial and refuses to leave, then I expect the Secret Service would promptly lift him up and carry him out of the White House.
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« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2018, 08:08:05 AM »

When Dilma Rouseff was recently impeached and removed from office in Brazil, she was given plenty of times to time to move out of the Palácio da Alvorada.

With a impeached U.S. President it would be tricky, since, per law, she or he would automatically lose all post-presidential privileges. Said person wouldn't even be eligible for Secret Service protection, so I imagine it would be really inconvenient to have her or him linger around the White House.


He would still get Secret Service protection as a former President, would he not?
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« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2018, 11:25:07 AM »

When Dilma Rouseff was recently impeached and removed from office in Brazil, she was given plenty of times to time to move out of the Palácio da Alvorada.

With a impeached U.S. President it would be tricky, since, per law, she or he would automatically lose all post-presidential privileges. Said person wouldn't even be eligible for Secret Service protection, so I imagine it would be really inconvenient to have her or him linger around the White House.


He would still get Secret Service protection as a former President, would he not?

Unclear.

The only place the term "former President" is defined in law is in the Former Presidents Act which specifies the pension and other financial perqs of being a former President.  For the purpose of that act only, it excludes a president who leaves office after being convicted in an impeachment trial from getting the financial perqs of being a former President.  But the Secret Service protection extended to a former President is a separate older law that doesn't define "former President".
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« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2018, 12:49:33 PM »

When a British Prime Minister clearly loses office in an election they are usually gone from 10 Downing Street within 24-48 hours. If another politician takes over in mid-Parliament, as happened when David Cameron resigned and Theresa May took over, the incoming and outgoing Prime Ministers can arrange with the monarch precisely when the handover takes place.

The lessons which can be drawn are that very little time needs to be taken for a change of occupant in the White House and that sensible adults should have no trouble agreeing the practical arrangements. In any event, occupation of the Presidential living quarters would probably not be the first worry of a President who has just been removed from office.
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« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2018, 06:28:40 PM »

I read this in an AH.com timeline, so take it with a grain of salt, but I'm pretty sure a US Marshall would deliver the certificate to the impeached President and escort him/her out of the Oval Office. The GSA or something would catalog and remove their personal belongings.
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« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2018, 05:37:15 PM »

Technically it is not ratification.  It is a finding of guilt to a charge.  The charge itself has language that proclaims the person guilty of an impeachable offense and removed from office.

Once the verdicts have been heard (as there usually are multiple charges), and if guilt is found, the presiding officer announces the result, removing the person from office.  At that point the vice president  can take office by taking the oath and the now ex-president no longer has any ability to give orders. 

The new president can order the former one out and have him removed as anyone trespassing on federal property.

Here is account of Alcee Hastings removal as a judge:  https://www.cop.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Impeachment_Hastings.htm
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