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« on: May 27, 2018, 04:20:31 PM »

Discuss with maps.
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« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2018, 04:21:18 PM »

Trump does not win.
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« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2018, 04:22:02 PM »

MI flips and that’s it

Maybe NH too (due to more establishment republicans voting for him due to finding out he has governed more like an establishment republican than a populist one )


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« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2018, 04:23:23 PM »

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« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2018, 04:39:34 PM »

MI flips and that’s it

Maybe NH too (due to more establishment republicans voting for him due to finding out he has governed more like an establishment republican than a populist one )




Probably this.  He would also do a lot better in Utah and a little worse in the Southwest, possibly enough to flip Arizona?
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« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2018, 05:41:57 PM »

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« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2018, 06:43:00 PM »


Trump: 302
Clinton 233

Only Michigan Flips to Hillary. I don't think Arizona could flip in 2016, 2020 is a stretch, but 2024 is likely. He flips NH and MEAL due to him governing somewhat like an establishment Republican and Nevada due to the Economy.

Trump wins, Only with 4 less Electoral Votes than in OTL
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« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2018, 06:47:13 PM »

All the Bad things Trump has done so far , along with all of his bad qualities and behavior were something people knew before the 2016 election itself and he still won.


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« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2018, 07:06:38 PM »

Trump probably loses now because with this realization apathetic, complacent, non-voters/some Third Party voters who were worried about Trump winning turn out now to vote for Clinton. Those that didn't turn out because they thought she would win but with the understanding that Trump does indeed win, could flip Florida, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin at least. I feel like the policies and behavior of President Trump are ultimately irrelevant, the fact that he wins might have been enough for many Americans.
Those that were with Trump turned out and voted for him, that wouldn't change. Sure, he might gain some voters since he ends up governing as a relatively mainstream Republican but not in the places that would help him actually win.
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« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2018, 01:18:23 AM »


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« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2018, 01:30:39 AM »



I feel like taking into account the travel ban, "sh**thole countries", etc. minority groups would turn out to vote against him way more than they did IRL. But, check back in with me if Trump's approval rating cracks 45%, then he probably still wins...
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« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2018, 05:19:44 AM »

I would LIKE to think we are a smart country.

If that’s the case then literally not one state should vote for him if they knew what was to come.

However....

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« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2018, 12:27:01 PM »

I would LIKE to think we are a smart country.

If that’s the case then literally not one state should vote for him if they knew what was to come.

However....


All the Bad things Trump has done so far , along with all of his bad qualities and behavior were something people knew before the 2016 election itself and he still won.


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« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2018, 02:38:08 PM »

The main change would not be due to anything done by the Trump presidency but rather the mere existence of the Trump presidency.
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« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2018, 02:42:35 PM »

I would LIKE to think we are a smart country.

If that’s the case then literally not one state should vote for him if they knew what was to come.

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All the Bad things Trump has done so far , along with all of his bad qualities and behavior were something people knew before the 2016 election itself and he still won.




Actually, Trump has very clearly not been draining the swamp in the way he campaigned on doing in the 2016 election. With his cabinet appointment of Steve Mnuchin, and his signing of the Tax Bill, he has clearly been going away from his promise to drain the swamp, which to some people, was why they voted for him.
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« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2018, 02:59:50 PM »

I would LIKE to think we are a smart country.

If that’s the case then literally not one state should vote for him if they knew what was to come.

However....


All the Bad things Trump has done so far , along with all of his bad qualities and behavior were something people knew before the 2016 election itself and he still won.




Actually, Trump has very clearly not been draining the swamp in the way he campaigned on doing in the 2016 election. With his cabinet appointment of Steve Mnuchin, and his signing of the Tax Bill, he has clearly been going away from his promise to drain the swamp, which to some people, was why they voted for him.


Well yes thats true but on the other hand he has governed more like an establishment Republican President so he may get more of their votes as well(Many who stayed home , voted for Johnson or Hillary)

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« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2018, 03:49:58 AM »


Trump: 302
Clinton 233

Only Michigan Flips to Hillary. I don't think Arizona could flip in 2016, 2020 is a stretch, but 2024 is likely. He flips NH and MEAL due to him governing somewhat like an establishment Republican and Nevada due to the Economy.

Trump wins, Only with 4 less Electoral Votes than in OTL

That's funny, tell another one.
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« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2018, 11:06:18 AM »

Wouldn't matter.
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« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2018, 06:30:22 AM »

I would LIKE to think we are a smart country.

If that’s the case then literally not one state should vote for him if they knew what was to come.

However....



I would say this map, minus Montana for Clinton.
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« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2018, 01:10:37 PM »

All the Bad things Trump has done so far , along with all of his bad qualities and behavior were something people knew before the 2016 election itself and he still won.
Nobody thought he was going to win. I'm sure millions stayed home or wrote in Ronald McDonald because they thought Hillary had it in the bag.

Hillary would win MI, WI, PA, and FL. NC would be decided by less than 10,000 votes going either way.
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« Reply #20 on: June 06, 2018, 10:00:45 PM »

The Obama/Trump voter stays with the Democrats as Trump has pushed a pretty conventional Republican agenda, his behavior and immigration aside. Ohio and Iowa still go Trump, but are decided by 5% or less rather than 8 and 9% respectively. Florida is a genuine toss up, while Trump does better in Texas and Arizona for the same reason he loses WI, MI, and PA.
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« Reply #21 on: June 06, 2018, 10:32:38 PM »

If anything, Hillary has gotten less popular.  I saw a poll a few months ago that said that Trump would win the PV against Hillary today.  I think he flips MN, ME, NH, and NV from the actual map.  Now, that doesn't necessarily mean anything from 2020 because his opponent will not be Hillary.
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« Reply #22 on: June 07, 2018, 05:35:51 PM »

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« Reply #23 on: June 16, 2018, 09:05:54 PM »

If anything, Hillary has gotten less popular.  I saw a poll a few months ago that said that Trump would win the PV against Hillary today.  I think he flips MN, ME, NH, and NV from the actual map.  Now, that doesn't necessarily mean anything from 2020 because his opponent will not be Hillary.

This is actually the truth. She has at least ten percent less approval than him as of a couple of months ago. She would lose in a landslide
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« Reply #24 on: June 16, 2018, 09:18:07 PM »
« Edited: June 26, 2018, 05:47:47 AM by Apocrypha »

Some of you Republicans posting in this thread are delusional. She'd lose in a landslide and Trump would pick up NV. Oh my god.
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