Ontario Liberal Party leadership

[King of Kensington]

So what's next for the Ontario Liberals after that catastrophic defeat?  At some point they will have to through a process of renewal and a race for the permanent leadership.  Will they pick one of their remaining caucus members, such as Michael Coteau or Mitzie Hunter and "make history" with a Black leader (their caucus is 2/7 Black).  Could Yasir Naqvi run for leader and run in one of the two Ottawa seats that proved to be the "safest" for the Liberals?  A federal MP go for it?  Sandra Pupatello has also expressed interest - and she may have some appeal among two demographics that went to Ford big time in this election: 905 "blue" Liberals and Italian Canadians (though it's a tall order to make the Liberals competitive in Windsor again!)

[Hatman 🍁]

First decision is picking an interim leader. My guess is Gravelle because the rest of the lot are potential leadership candidates or don't have much experience (or both!).

[King of Kensington]

The OLP caucus:

Marie France-Lalonde (Orleans)
Nathalie Des Rosiers (Ottawa-Vanier)
John Fraser (Ottawa South)
Mitzie Hunter (Scarborough-Guildwood)
Michael Coteau (Don Valley East)
Kathleen Wynne (Don Valley West)
Michael Gravelle (Thunder Bay-Superior North)

[King of Kensington]

^ It's such a short list I was able to compile it from memory!

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Wow, their caucus is 67% female and 27% black. Wynne would be proud.

[MaxQue]

So what's next for the Ontario Liberals after that catastrophic defeat?  At some point they will have to through a process of renewal and a race for the permanent leadership.  Will they pick one of their remaining caucus members, such as Michael Coteau or Mitzie Hunter and "make history" with a Black leader (their caucus is 2/7 Black).  Could Yasir Naqvi run for leader and run in one of the two Ottawa seats that proved to be the "safest" for the Liberals?  A federal MP go for it?  Sandra Pupatello has also expressed interest - and she may have some appeal among two demographics that went to Ford big time in this election: 905 "blue" Liberals and Italian Canadians (though it's a tall order to make the Liberals competitive in Windsor again!)

Making one of the two Francophones resign to get Naqvi back in the Provincial Parliament would be hugely controversial in the French-Ontarian community.

[King of Kensington]

When I said two safest, I meant Ottawa-Vanier and Ottawa South where the Liberals won by more than 10 percentage points.  Only one of these is held by a Franco-Ontarian.

[Hatman 🍁]

Wow, their caucus is 67% female and 27% black. Wynne would be proud.

*57% / 29%

[King of Kensington]

57% of the OLP caucus also have first names that start with "M."  And 29% are named Michael.

(And if Colle in Eglinton-Lawrence - the highest polling Liberal that did not prevail - had survived those figures would have been 62.5% and 33.3% respectively).

[DC Al Fine]

57% of the OLP caucus also have first names that start with "M."  And 29% are named Michael.

(And if Colle in Eglinton-Lawrence - the highest polling Liberal that did not prevail - had survived those figures would have been 62.5% and 1/3 respectively).

Iggy wout be proud.

[MAINEiac4434]

What are the chances someone outside of provincial parliament runs (and wins)?

[136or142]

What are the chances someone outside of provincial parliament runs (and wins)?

When a party gets decimated like this that is usually the best option as it essentially means that even those who were reelected were rejected by the wider public.

I don't know if they're interested, but that's why I keep suggesting Toronto Mayor John Tory or Federal Industry Minister Navdeep Bains. I don't know of any other possible non MPP contenders.

(The portfolio is no longer named 'Industry.')

[MAINEiac4434]

What are the chances someone outside of provincial parliament runs (and wins)?

When a party gets decimated like this that is usually the best option as it essentially means that even those who were reelected were rejected by the wider public.

I don't know if they're interested, but that's why I keep suggesting Toronto Mayor John Tory or Federal Industry Minister Navdeep Bains. I don't know of any other possible non MPP contenders.

(The portfolio is no longer named 'Industry.')

John Tory? The former PC leader? If he ran, would the Liberals even want him?

[Hatman 🍁]

lol John Tory

[DC Al Fine]

lol John Tory

As I said before, maybe he wants to relive multiple past failures and wants to lose a by-election in Don Valley West.

[Jeppe]

I want Sandra Pupatello to come back.

[MaxQue]

I want Sandra Pupatello to come back.

An an NDP supporter, them having such a loser as leader would be fine for me.

[Krago]

I want Sandra Pupatello to come back.

An an NDP supporter, them having such a loser as leader would be fine for me.

If Pupatello wins, expect to see a lot of tv ads mentioning Lou Vozza.

[Hatman 🍁]

Caucus has endorsed John Fraser as leader. Well, this is the second straight MPP from my riding to have been Liberal leader!

[toaster]

Wow, their caucus is 67% female and 27% black. Wynne would be proud.

*57% / 29%

And 29% gay I believe Michael Gravelle is gay?

[DC Al Fine]

Wow, their caucus is 67% female and 27% black. Wynne would be proud.

*57% / 29%

And 29% gay I believe Michael Gravelle is gay?

I wonder, is that something to do with OLP candidate recruiting or the sort of OLP seats that didn't get wiped out?

[DL]

Wow, their caucus is 67% female and 27% black. Wynne would be proud.

*57% / 29%

And 29% gay I believe Michael Gravelle is gay?

The are rumours he is a closet case...and so he doesnt count

[RogueBeaver]

Vaughan and Holland considering.

[mileslunn]

Vaughan and Holland considering.

A bit risky though since if either seat flips in a by-election it looks bad on Trudeau.  Yes both won handidly and not withstanding provincial results, I suspect the Liberals would hold both in a by-election (Ajax due to weaker splits as Rod Philips only got 39% and Fort York-Spadina as progressives federally still support the Liberals while provincially NDP), but there is always a risk.

Also maybe they should look to some municipal leaders.  Vaughan has Maurizio Bevilacqua while Mississauga has Bonnie Crombie who are both ex federal MPs and I believe Jim Watson in Ottawa is a Liberal.  For the first two they come from the 905 belt and the key areas the Liberals need to win back that were lost to the PCs.

[RogueBeaver]

Crombie already said she's not interested.