Germany: Dispute over immigration between CDU and CSU mounts

[Tender Branson]

Ahead of Sunday's EU immigration summit, a new YouGov poll shows 43% of Germans now want Merkel to resign vs. 42% who want her to remain in office:

https://www.handelsblatt.com/politik/deutschland/umfrage-fast-jeder-zweite-deutsche-fuer-abloesung-merkels/22722796.html

Behind the scenes, the Visegrad countries + Austria + Italy + the Bavarians are working to remove her from office.

In other news, the SPD is preparing for new elections in the fall ...

It would be nice if Merkel + Erdogan would be removed from office on the same day, but it's probably a dream.

[Former President tack50]

I hope Germany gets a no confidence vote like ours and an SPD minority government propped up by everyone except CDU and AfD

[TheSaint250]

How likely is a split at this point? It doesn't look like Seehofer is backing down, and it remains to be seen whether or not Merkel will.

[mvd10]

I hope Germany gets a no confidence vote like ours and an SPD minority government propped up by everyone except CDU and AfD

SPD-Linke-FDP? It would be a glorious government. Bourgeoisie and proletariat unite! The real enemy that separates the classes from each other and prevents class peace is the petty bourgeoisie!

[President Johnson]

I hope Germany gets a no confidence vote like ours and an SPD minority government propped up by everyone except CDU and AfD

SPD-Linke-FDP? It would be a glorious government. Bourgeoisie and proletariat unite! The real enemy that separates the classes from each other and prevents class peace is the petty bourgeoisie!

SPD-FDP-Greens would be great (actually I'd like a SPD/FDP coalition because the Greens totally want mass immigration from the Middle East, among other stupid things), but it's not happening. It's more likely the CSU gets out of the cabinet and the Greens join. And if that was to happen, it would be the ultimate nail in the SPD's coffin. I think Merkel would like such a CSU-Greens exchange.

[President Johnson]

How likely is a split at this point? It doesn't look like Seehofer is backing down, and it remains to be seen whether or not Merkel will.

Possible, but not very likely. The CSU's first priority is maintain their absolute majority in the Bavarian legislature. That's even more important to them than Berlin. They know if the CDU gets into Bavaria, they will never regain that position. However, I think the one-party government will be gone in the October election anyway and probably never come back any time soon.

[Hnv1]

How likely is a split at this point? It doesn't look like Seehofer is backing down, and it remains to be seen whether or not Merkel will.

Can't see it happening, it will simply hurt both if they ran opposing in Bayern and outside. We might see a temporary split until Merkel is removed from office

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

I hope Germany gets a no confidence vote like ours and an SPD minority government propped up by everyone except CDU and AfD

SPD-Linke-FDP? It would be a glorious government. Bourgeoisie and proletariat unite! The real enemy that separates the classes from each other and prevents class peace is the petty bourgeoisie!

Nyet! The petty bourgeoisie are the bedrock of any democracy!

[mvd10]

I hope Germany gets a no confidence vote like ours and an SPD minority government propped up by everyone except CDU and AfD

SPD-Linke-FDP? It would be a glorious government. Bourgeoisie and proletariat unite! The real enemy that separates the classes from each other and prevents class peace is the petty bourgeoisie!

Nyet! The petty bourgeoisie are the bedrock of any democracy!

The petty bourgeoisie has been the bedrock of reactionary politics! Comrades and gentlemen unite!

[President Johnson]

So, the CSU is expected to announce its decision on the agreements Merkel got from the last EU summit almost any time now. Horst Seehofer will give a public statement within the next two hours. Over the day, the leadership of both the CDU (in Berlin) and CSU (in Munich, still ongoing) met for internal consultations. From behind the scenes, Seehofer and his inner circle are reportedly not satisfied at all. A face-to-face meeting between Merkel and Seehofer that took place yesterday went nowhere. Seehofer is quoted with a phrase like: "I went the long way to Berlin and Merkel didn't move at all", calling the dialogue "useless" or "with no effect".

Tagesschau reports that the CDU leadership stands firmly behind the chancellor after their meeting today, while the CSU leaders strongly back the interior minister. As it looks like now, a confrontation is almost inevitable and even Merkel described the situation as "very serious".

Now everyone is waiting for Seehofer's statement in Munich. There was some speculation over the day he might resign, but I doubt that actually happens. However, he may order the border patrol to reject certain asylums seekers tomorrow and thus causing Merkel to fire him, what would be the end of the governing grand coalition.

For further information: Tagesschau Live Blog (in German)

[President Johnson]

Wow, Seehofer reportedly offered his resignation as CSU leader and interior minister. But he still didn't make a public announcement.

[Famous Mortimer]

I'm hearing that Söder wanted to break up the Union but Seehofer didn't so he resigned. This just kicks the can further down the road but it also makes a break up more likely.

[DavidB.]

Verdammt ich will dich, ich will dich nicht, ich will dich nicht verlieren! #Seehofer

[wxtransit]

Wow, Seehofer reportedly offered his resignation as CSU leader and interior minister. But he still didn't make a public announcement.

[TheSaint250]

Is there an increased likelihood of a split now?

[DavidB.]

CSU have not accepted Seehofer's resignation. He will now have more talks with Merkel today and decide afterwards.

[mvd10]

Hasn't this been going on for a decade or so? First Seehofer says something. A lot of drama arises. Seehofer threatens to <insert something here>. Seehofer and Merkel talk. Seehofer cucks. Or if you replace Merkel and Seehofer by CDU leader and CSU leader this has been going on for about 50 years.

I don't really like Seehofer anyway, the dude voted against making marital rape illegal and now he wants to defend Western civilization . Well, Germany is the country of Kinder, Küche, Kirche (only part of Nazism they never ditched lol) so it's not like Germany has ever been a beacon of women's rights. Jens Spahn would be much better than Muhammad Seehofer .

But really, just make Spahn Chancellor and annex Austria by arranging a marriage between Jens Spahn and Sebastian Kurz. Then Spahn and Kurz can be kings/consuls/emperors (whatever they want) of a federal Europe!

[Anzeigenhauptmeister]

Hasn't this been going on for a decade or so? First Seehofer says something. A lot of drama arises. Seehofer threatens to <insert something here>. Seehofer and Merkel talk. Seehofer cucks. Or if you replace Merkel and Seehofer by CDU leader and CSU leader this has been going on for about 50 years.

I don't really like Seehofer anyway, the dude voted against making marital rape illegal and now he wants to defend Western civilization . Well, Germany is the country of Kinder, Küche, Kirche (only part of Nazism they never ditched lol) so it's not like Germany has ever been a beacon of women's rights. Jens Spahn would be much better than Muhammad Seehofer .

In 1976, the CDU and CSU already divorced for a short time, but the divorced was annulled after three weeks:

https://www.facebook.com/tagesschau/videos/10156674473169407

But really, just make Spahn Chancellor and annex Austria by arranging a marriage between Jens Spahn and Sebastian Kurz. Then Spahn and Kurz can be kings/consuls/emperors (whatever they want) of a federal Europe!

Spahn will probably never become chancellor. You can't tell how unpopular and despised he is by both the media and society.

[DavidB.]

But really, just make Spahn Chancellor and annex Austria by arranging a marriage between Jens Spahn and Sebastian Kurz. Then Spahn and Kurz can be kings/consuls/emperors (whatever they want) of a federal Europe!

Turning International General Discussion into a message board for slash fanfiction now? Not necessarily opposed to it.

[mvd10]

Hasn't this been going on for a decade or so? First Seehofer says something. A lot of drama arises. Seehofer threatens to <insert something here>. Seehofer and Merkel talk. Seehofer cucks. Or if you replace Merkel and Seehofer by CDU leader and CSU leader this has been going on for about 50 years.

I don't really like Seehofer anyway, the dude voted against making marital rape illegal and now he wants to defend Western civilization . Well, Germany is the country of Kinder, Küche, Kirche (only part of Nazism they never ditched lol) so it's not like Germany has ever been a beacon of women's rights. Jens Spahn would be much better than Muhammad Seehofer .

In 1976, the CDU and CSU already divorced for a short time, but the divorced was annulled after three weeks:

https://www.facebook.com/tagesschau/videos/10156674473169407

But really, just make Spahn Chancellor and annex Austria by arranging a marriage between Jens Spahn and Sebastian Kurz. Then Spahn and Kurz can be kings/consuls/emperors (whatever they want) of a federal Europe!

Spahn will probably never become chancellor. You can't tell how unpopular and despised he is by both the media and society.

Why? Is Spahn too arrogant/right-wing? Or does the CDU/CSU base distrust him because he's gay?

[Anzeigenhauptmeister]

Hasn't this been going on for a decade or so? First Seehofer says something. A lot of drama arises. Seehofer threatens to <insert something here>. Seehofer and Merkel talk. Seehofer cucks. Or if you replace Merkel and Seehofer by CDU leader and CSU leader this has been going on for about 50 years.

I don't really like Seehofer anyway, the dude voted against making marital rape illegal and now he wants to defend Western civilization . Well, Germany is the country of Kinder, Küche, Kirche (only part of Nazism they never ditched lol) so it's not like Germany has ever been a beacon of women's rights. Jens Spahn would be much better than Muhammad Seehofer .

In 1976, the CDU and CSU already divorced for a short time, but the divorced was annulled after three weeks:

https://www.facebook.com/tagesschau/videos/10156674473169407

But really, just make Spahn Chancellor and annex Austria by arranging a marriage between Jens Spahn and Sebastian Kurz. Then Spahn and Kurz can be kings/consuls/emperors (whatever they want) of a federal Europe!

Spahn will probably never become chancellor. You can't tell how unpopular and despised he is by both the media and society.

Why? Is Spahn too arrogant/right-wing? Or does the CDU/CSU base distrust him because he's gay?

Spahn is too right-wing while seeming like a momma's boy at the same time.
He takes care of anything - but of his own area of responsibility (health).

[mvd10]

Hasn't this been going on for a decade or so? First Seehofer says something. A lot of drama arises. Seehofer threatens to <insert something here>. Seehofer and Merkel talk. Seehofer cucks. Or if you replace Merkel and Seehofer by CDU leader and CSU leader this has been going on for about 50 years.

I don't really like Seehofer anyway, the dude voted against making marital rape illegal and now he wants to defend Western civilization . Well, Germany is the country of Kinder, Küche, Kirche (only part of Nazism they never ditched lol) so it's not like Germany has ever been a beacon of women's rights. Jens Spahn would be much better than Muhammad Seehofer .

In 1976, the CDU and CSU already divorced for a short time, but the divorced was annulled after three weeks:

https://www.facebook.com/tagesschau/videos/10156674473169407

But really, just make Spahn Chancellor and annex Austria by arranging a marriage between Jens Spahn and Sebastian Kurz. Then Spahn and Kurz can be kings/consuls/emperors (whatever they want) of a federal Europe!

Spahn will probably never become chancellor. You can't tell how unpopular and despised he is by both the media and society.

Why? Is Spahn too arrogant/right-wing? Or does the CDU/CSU base distrust him because he's gay?

Spahn is too right-wing while seeming like a momma's boy at the same time.
He takes care of anything - but of his own area of responsibility (health).

Ah, he's just like me I suppose.

[Tender Branson]

What a silly drama ...

But this is only the result of not dealing with the excesses of Merkel's failed "welcome culture" in a timely manner. Only ignoring them and ignoring them and ignoring them and pretending that everything is OK. And now these excesses are bursting open like ripe furuncles on a teenage face.

The best would be if Merkel steps down if she has any courage left. She's not in charge of her government any longer and she should know when it's too late for her.

[Anzeigenhauptmeister]

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Ah, he's just like me I suppose.

He said Hartz IV did not mean poverty. For that statement he was harshly criticized by the media.
He is also pro-life; after a female doctor was fined 6,000 € for illegal advertising for abortion (she wrote on her websites that abortions belong to her catalog of services), Spahn approved of that sentence and he said there was no need for him to change that law.
He also disapproves of euthanasia. He even doesn't want to give critically ill patient lethal drugs.

[mvd10]

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Ah, he's just like me I suppose.

He said Hartz IV did not mean poverty. For that statement he was harshly criticized by the media.
He is also pro-life; after a female doctor was fined 6,000 € for illegal advertising for abortion (she wrote on her websites that abortions belong to her catalog of services), Spahn approved of that sentence and he said there was no need for him to change that law.
He also disapproves of euthanasia. He even doesn't want to give critically ill patient lethal drugs.

Is he that socially conservative? Seriously? I automatically thought he was more socially liberal because he's gay lol.