Climate Refugees

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How do you think we should deal with people in countries made increasingly difficult to live in due to climate change?

[America Needs R'hllor]

Ideally, if we reach this situation, the U.S. should take in a substantial part of these refugees. It's not the fault of citizens of countries harmed by climate change that American conservatives (like Inhofe, Cruz, Trump etc) are stupid\stubborn and choose to deny scientific facts. I'd say China should also take responsibility, but since it's an authoritarian country, I wouldn't send refugees there.

[Shameless Lefty Hack]

Most of the non-european great powers (India, Russia, China, USA) are going to have significant internal migration problems to manage from desertification and water scarcity before even taking into account internal migration due to the retreat from the coastlines.

It's going to be bad. And having such a xenophobic political climate leading the century off in Europe, North America, and China (cf: treatment of/attitudes toward east African migrant workers in Guangzhou) likely means it's going to be *very * bad.

[parochial boy]

Thing is,if you have literally tens or hundreds of millions of people displaced by climate change, then all the "closed borders" in the world won't be able to stop those population flows.

This at least, once it starts to happen im earnest (if it isn't already) will wake people up to the necessity to act

[Lord Halifax]

Thing is,if you have literally tens or hundreds of millions of people displaced by climate change, then all the "closed borders" in the world won't be able to stop those population flows.

This at least, once it starts to happen im earnest (if it isn't already) will wake people up to the necessity to act

If we really get to tens of millions this action might very well include exterminating the migrants, even by governments in supposedly democratic countries.

[Former President tack50]

Yup. In the absolute worst case scenario I can basically see the Berlin Wall or the Korean DMZ being replicated, except shooting the ones trying to get in instead of the ones going out.

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The biggest crisis point will almost certainly be in Bangladesh, being poor, highly populated, vulnerable to sea level rise (to the extent the country could be in existential threat at the upper echelons of climate change) and in an awkward geostrategic wider picture.

I think there will probably be calls soon for Pacific Islanders to be settled in Australia/New Zealand/the USA etc.

[DavidB.]

The biggest crisis point will almost certainly be in Bangladesh, being poor, highly populated, vulnerable to sea level rise (to the extent the country could be in existential threat at the upper echelons of climate change) and in an awkward geostrategic wider picture.

Always makes me wonder why we in the Netherlands have always managed to deal with the water issue and Bangladesh just hasn't.

[Brittain33]

The biggest crisis point will almost certainly be in Bangladesh, being poor, highly populated, vulnerable to sea level rise (to the extent the country could be in existential threat at the upper echelons of climate change) and in an awkward geostrategic wider picture.

Always makes me wonder why we in the Netherlands have always managed to deal with the water issue and Bangladesh just hasn't.

Did you miss “poor”

[DavidB.]

The biggest crisis point will almost certainly be in Bangladesh, being poor, highly populated, vulnerable to sea level rise (to the extent the country could be in existential threat at the upper echelons of climate change) and in an awkward geostrategic wider picture.

Always makes me wonder why we in the Netherlands have always managed to deal with the water issue and Bangladesh just hasn't.

Did you miss “poor”

Not as if we weren't poor centuries ago.

[America Needs R'hllor]

The biggest crisis point will almost certainly be in Bangladesh, being poor, highly populated, vulnerable to sea level rise (to the extent the country could be in existential threat at the upper echelons of climate change) and in an awkward geostrategic wider picture.

Always makes me wonder why we in the Netherlands have always managed to deal with the water issue and Bangladesh just hasn't.

Did you miss “poor”

Not as if we weren't poor centuries ago.

This is an old argument with unclear answers, but third world countries are a thing for many reasons and you can't dismiss their woes. Excusing it with "we were also poor once" is nonsense.

[DavidB.]

This is an old argument with unclear answers, but third world countries are a thing for many reasons and you can't dismiss their woes. Excusing it with "we were also poor once" is nonsense.

Not dismissing anything. Just wondering why they haven't managed to deal with their problems while we did, even though we were dirt poor until very recently too.

[💥💥 brandon bro (he/him/his)]

This is an old argument with unclear answers, but third world countries are a thing for many reasons and you can't dismiss their woes. Excusing it with "we were also poor once" is nonsense.

Not dismissing anything. Just wondering why they haven't managed to deal with their problems while we did, even though we were dirt poor until very recently too.

A couple centuries of colonialism which reinforces local corruption while keeping much of the population in poverty probably has something to do with it. I also think it's a false comparison to describe "us" (I'm guessing you mean Western Europe) as "dirt poor until very recently".

In any event, I see Canada taking the lead in accepting climate refugees when they start appearing in larger numbers. I also wonder at what point countries with aging workforces like Japan will start to take in larger numbers of refugees as a demographic necessity. Unfortunately I have a hard time seeing countries with such strong fossil fuel industries (e.g., America, Australia) allowing discussion on a public issue that legitimizes climate change so I don't expect them to make serious long-term sustained efforts.

[EPG]

This is an old argument with unclear answers, but third world countries are a thing for many reasons and you can't dismiss their woes. Excusing it with "we were also poor once" is nonsense.

Not dismissing anything. Just wondering why they haven't managed to deal with their problems while we did, even though we were dirt poor until very recently too.

I'm sure there are absolutely no geological or hydrological difference between the Netherlands and Bangladesh. It must be because they don't go skiing or snowboarding.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

This is an old argument with unclear answers, but third world countries are a thing for many reasons and you can't dismiss their woes. Excusing it with "we were also poor once" is nonsense.

Not dismissing anything. Just wondering why they haven't managed to deal with their problems while we did, even though we were dirt poor until very recently too.

I'm sure there are absolutely no geological or hydrological difference between the Netherlands and Bangladesh. It must be because they don't go skiing or snowboarding.

No, it's mostly because the Dutch are a hard-working, inventive folk.

The Bangladeshis ... not so much.

[citation needed]

[Tender Branson]

This is an old argument with unclear answers, but third world countries are a thing for many reasons and you can't dismiss their woes. Excusing it with "we were also poor once" is nonsense.

Not dismissing anything. Just wondering why they haven't managed to deal with their problems while we did, even though we were dirt poor until very recently too.

I'm sure there are absolutely no geological or hydrological difference between the Netherlands and Bangladesh. It must be because they don't go skiing or snowboarding.

No, it's mostly because the Dutch are a hard-working, inventive folk.

The Bangladeshis ... not so much.

[citation needed]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_laureates_per_capita

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Intellectual_Property_Indicators#Patents

[EPG]

Yes, actually, the Netherlands was richer than Bangladesh today. The Netherlands in the 1600s was literally a monopolist in many forms of advanced global commerce. Bangladesh today is at the bottom of the food chain supplying labour for simple consumer products. But, please, tell us more about race theory and how you are smarter, by association with white people, than those brown people like Muhammad Yunus (new phone, who that?).

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Yes, actually, the Netherlands was richer than Bangladesh today. The Netherlands in the 1600s was literally a monopolist in many forms of advanced global commerce. Bangladesh today is at the bottom of the food chain supplying labour for simple consumer products. But, please, tell us more about race theory and how you are smarter, by association with white people, than those brown people like Muhammad Yunus (new phone, who that?).

While Austrians have fun skiing down the slopes of the Alps and enjoy their lives, millions of Bangladeshis work to make consumer goods for everyone in the Western World, in substandard safety conditions. Who is more hardworking?

[America Needs R'hllor]

This is an old argument with unclear answers, but third world countries are a thing for many reasons and you can't dismiss their woes. Excusing it with "we were also poor once" is nonsense.

Not dismissing anything. Just wondering why they haven't managed to deal with their problems while we did, even though we were dirt poor until very recently too.

I'm sure there are absolutely no geological or hydrological difference between the Netherlands and Bangladesh. It must be because they don't go skiing or snowboarding.

No, it's mostly because the Dutch are a hard-working, inventive folk.

The Bangladeshis ... not so much.

[citation needed]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_laureates_per_capita

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Intellectual_Property_Indicators#Patents

Wow lol. GDP per capita? Nobel laureates? "Intellectual property"? Subtle white supremacism is still a thing, huh?

[Kyle Rittenhouse is a Political Prisoner]

This is an old argument with unclear answers, but third world countries are a thing for many reasons and you can't dismiss their woes. Excusing it with "we were also poor once" is nonsense.

Not dismissing anything. Just wondering why they haven't managed to deal with their problems while we did, even though we were dirt poor until very recently too.

I'm sure there are absolutely no geological or hydrological difference between the Netherlands and Bangladesh. It must be because they don't go skiing or snowboarding.

No, it's mostly because the Dutch are a hard-working, inventive folk.

The Bangladeshis ... not so much.

[citation needed]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_laureates_per_capita

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Intellectual_Property_Indicators#Patents

Wow lol. GDP per capita? Nobel laureates? "Intellectual property"? Subtle white supremacism is still a thing, huh?

LOL at Tender Branson being described at subtly racist.

[DavidB.]

Wow lol. GDP per capita? Nobel laureates? "Intellectual property"? Subtle white supremacism is still a thing, huh?

... is this a parody? Genuinely unsure.

In the event that you are serious, it is interesting to know that you view basic facts as white supremacy.

[America Needs R'hllor]

Wow lol. GDP per capita? Nobel laureates? "Intellectual property"? Subtle white supremacism is still a thing, huh?

... is this a parody? Genuinely unsure.

In the event that you are serious, it is interesting to know that you view basic facts as white supremacy.

Obviously, these are basic facts. But cherrypicking them as parameters to show your race is superior is... yeah, not something I think is very legitimate.
Claiming that the Dutch are "hard-working, inventive folks" while the Bangladeshis are lazy and uncreative is not even a very subtle way to say that white people are superior to them browns.

[dead0man]

People don't work as hard when it's hot out.

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the Dutch are not (necessarily) better genetically, they could just work outside, better, for more of the year than Bangladeshi were/are.  Over millennia that can add up.

[Mopsus]

Preempting natural disasters requires coordination on a mass scale, which is something that you would expect from a country like The Netherlands. Tens of millions of peasants, stuffed into a country the size of Iowa... not so much.

[EPG]

The Netherlands historically has very bad floods from the sea every decade or couple of decades, but is mainly in the business of preserving land deliberately and artificially reclaimed from the sea. Bangladesh is on a gigantic river delta that floods every year. Seriously, not everything is about reductive pro-white race theory.