Italian Elections and Politics 2022 - Our Time to Schlein

[Estrella]

What's with the rise of FdI? They seem to be firmly above 10% in national polling, easily doubling the FI vote, and within MoE of M5S. Is there some particular reason or are the traditional FI voters just abandoning Berlusconi for a new and improved model?

It's not really the FI voters who are switchind to FdI. Second Republic Italian right was divided into two big camps - the Northern/Central Italian and economically liberal (in theory) Forza Italia and in the Southern post-fascist and interventionist Alleanza Nazionale. The merger into PdL and the chaos that came with the rise of the M5S obscured this, but these two camps still remained. It was a bit more complicated than this, but in 2018 the FI camp went to Lega and the AN camp to Five Stars. Obviously the M5S-PD coalition didn't exactly endear them to conservative Southerners, and while many did switch to Lega as the loudest voice on the right, some still think that Salvini is too northern and/or 'the wrong kind of right' and these people vote for FdI

[CumbrianLefty]

What's with the rise of FdI? They seem to be firmly above 10% in national polling, easily doubling the FI vote, and within MoE of M5S. Is there some particular reason or are the traditional FI voters just abandoning Berlusconi for a new and improved model?

It's not really the FI voters who are switchind to FdI. Second Republic Italian right was divided into two big camps - the Northern/Central Italian and economically liberal (in theory) Forza Italia and in the Southern post-fascist and interventionist Alleanza Nazionale. The merger into PdL and the chaos that came with the rise of the M5S obscured this, but these two camps still remained. It was a bit more complicated than this, but in 2018 the FI camp went to Lega and the AN camp to Five Stars. Obviously the M5S-PD coalition didn't exactly endear them to conservative Southerners, and while many did switch to Lega as the loudest voice on the right, some still think that Salvini is too northern and/or 'the wrong kind of right' and these people vote for FdI

Well that's all totally clear

[Antonio the Sixth]

Updated the title with the next major electoral event. The referendum to approve the M5S' much-desired constitutional reform to reduce the number of MPs will be held at the end of next month. People expect it to pass easily (voters hate politicians, etc.) but with the government (and especially M5S) so unpopular, you never know.

I won't be participating in this thread much until then, though, so keep having fun without me.

[rob in cal]

  Wasn't Salvini talking about some kind of referendum campaign? Any developments on that?

[Flyersfan232]

Updated the title with the next major electoral event. The referendum to approve the M5S' much-desired constitutional reform to reduce the number of MPs will be held at the end of next month. People expect it to pass easily (voters hate politicians, etc.) but with the government (and especially M5S) so unpopular, you never know.

I won't be participating in this thread much until then, though, so keep having fun without me.

What a great time to hold a vote
They deserved to loose

[FrancoAgo]

The referendum is postponed

[Oryxslayer]

The referendum is postponed

Corona?

[FrancoAgo]

Corona?

Yes

[Antonio the Sixth]

The referendum is postponed

Oh, great.

[Oryxslayer]

Zingaretti has tested positive.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Lombardy and a bunch of nearby provinces now under near-complete lockdown.

Well that escalated quickly.

[FrancoAgo]

under 30%

in all Italy not needed movement are illegal 

[Antonio the Sixth]

Yeah, the Italian government seems to have decided to go all in. Interestingly, both the majority and the opposition seems to be in agreement for once.

I'm not sure what to think of it. I'm not on the ground obviously so I can't judge the situation, but if I was on the ground and in an area currently unaffected by the virus, I'd be pretty mad to be completely grounded for weeks over this. It might or might not be effective at stopping the virus from spreading (which, even then, would only delay it), but the human and economic consequences will be far from pleasant (and we're talking about a country that has had no meaningful growth in a decade).

There should be a happy medium between this and the utter carelessness and incompetence of the T***p administration.

[FrancoAgo]

Postponed also the municipal elections of the spring '20

EDIT: the government has denied this news


p.s. today Italy  has surpassed PRC in the covid siks

[Lechasseur]

Silvio Berlusconi left his 34 year old girlfriend to start dating a 30 year old

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Silvio Berlusconi left his 34 year old girlfriend to start dating a 30 year old

Under quarantine?!

[Lechasseur]

Silvio Berlusconi left his 34 year old girlfriend to start dating a 30 year old

Under quarantine?!

I saw it in a French news article last night dating from March 5th

[Velasco]

I heard Berlusconi was one of the first fleeing Lombardy before the lockdown. Now he is living in Nice, where he owns a palace. I'm thinking of rats and sinking ships

[seb_pard]

https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1241137340309024771

[brucejoel99]

https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1241137340309024771

Suck it, Salvini.

[parochial boy]

Dunno, think I'd prefer a world where the government was still unpopular and the country wasn't having to endure this tragedy.

[CumbrianLefty]

Well, that's true.

I think plus 27 is the biggest pro-government swing I've seen in any "crisis" poll thus far, though.

[rob in cal]

 The poll is intresting, but how much of that means specific support for pro government parties, and how much of that is just personal support for Conte.

[bigic]

The poll is intresting, but how much of that means specific support for pro government parties, and how much of that is just personal support for Conte.

I think M5S is recovering a bit? Certainly the swing towards the pro-government parties isn't very big according to the recent polls.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

I wonder if Conte will try and start his own personal party like Monti did?