Is ILLEGAL Immigration a PROBLEM? Or is ILLEGAL Immigration OK With You?

[Famous Mortimer]

Obviously its an issue. Further restricting immigration and putting immigrants in concentration camps is not the way to deal with it, though. It fixes nothing, is immoral, and costs way too much money.

Taking in millions of poor Latin Americans, giving them welfare, and giving welfare to all their descendants until the end of time, that doesn't cost a lot of money?

I know delusion is fun for you to live in, but illegal immigrants aren't criminals or welfare queens. You're just racist as hell.

Illegal immigrants are mostly welfare queens. Obviously not every single one but most. They come here because we have welfare programs that their own countries do not. They are welfare migrants.

LOL, you do realize America's welfare system is actually terrible, right? They come because it has a strong economy and good opportunities, but more importantly, a good security that will keep them and their children safe, unlike in their home countries.

1) America has the reputation of having a bad welfare system because our welfare system is means tested, not universal. That means rich and middle class Americans pay taxes to fund the benefits but never get to use them themselves. That's bad for rich and middle class Americans. If you're poor though, as most people from Central America are, the welfare system is just fine.

2) Regardless of the weaknesses of its welfare system, America still offers more welfare than Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, and Mexico and that's why people come here from those countries.

[The Materialist]

Because, as we all know, Latin American immigration to the United States didn't exist before the New Deal.

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[Famous Mortimer]

Because, as we all know, Latin American immigration to the United States didn't exist before the New Deal.

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There was always Mexican immigration but not as much.

[The Materialist]

Because, as we all know, Latin American immigration to the United States didn't exist before the New Deal.

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There was always Mexican immigration but not as much.

It truly astonishes me that the number of Mexican immigrants to the United States has grown alongside the Mexican general population, or that it's spiked along with domestic turbulence in Mexico. I can think of no reason for this at all.

[CookieDamage]

Y'all need to just admit you want a white country with little to no brown people.

[CookieDamage]

I'm much more worried about the THREAT posed to our nation by Nazi-like FASCISTS who call themselves 'Republicans' than I am by the human beings who desperately want to live and work here.

[mgop]

Y'all need to just admit you want a white country with little to no brown people.

you are immigrant

[Meclazine for Israel]

It's a massive problem.

The Mexican border is sn issue of itself.

But more importantly, the US immigration policy is not working.

Trump is trying to fix it at least. If he succeeds, it will be hard to go back to what you have now.

If you keep trying to be nice and pay attention to every CNN cover story, you will get nowhere.

Someone has to get their plums out and attempt to fix it.

[President Johnson]

It's a problem, but there are far greater problems (crumbling infrastructure, income and wealth inequality, budget deficit, weakened position on the world stage, gerrymandering etc.). The issue should be tackled by a reform of the immigration system and additional border security were necessary (no, a wall like Trump wants is no real solution).

[Fuzzy Bear]

Obviously its an issue. Further restricting immigration and putting immigrants in concentration camps is not the way to deal with it, though. It fixes nothing, is immoral, and costs way too much money.

Just exactly why is this true, and not just a mere assertion to drive a narrative?

I listened to a segment of an NPR broadcast which interviewed a Salvadoran who had been returned to El Salvador.  He stated that the current policy was such that (A) he would not attempt to cross the border again (he had done it more than once), and (B) if he did, he would not bring children with him again.  I recognize this is an anecdote, but it's a significant one. 

Is there not a need to create disincentives to discourage illegal entry into our country?  That's a legitimate question that deserves an answer.  If so, what would an EFFECTIVE disincentive be?

Is it moral to treat folks who come here illegally (that are, in no way, legitimate asylum seekers) with the same welcoming that we treat those who came here legally and respected our laws?  That's a question that deserves an answer, and while there can be endless "whataboutisms" used to respond, there is a bottom line to that question. 

Why is enforcement cheaper than the expenses incurred in illegal aliens being in the US?

These aren't mysteries.  These are questions to which specific answers can be provided. 

[Panda Express]

Obviously its an issue. Further restricting immigration and putting immigrants in concentration camps is not the way to deal with it, though. It fixes nothing, is immoral, and costs way too much money.

Just exactly why is this true, and not just a mere assertion to drive a narrative?

Are you.. are you asking why intentionally separating children from their parents and putting them in camps is immoral? Is this not obvious?

[Antonio the Sixth]

Yes, it is a problem in that it should be made legal.

[Kyle Rittenhouse is a Political Prisoner]

Obviously its an issue. Further restricting immigration and putting immigrants in concentration camps is not the way to deal with it, though. It fixes nothing, is immoral, and costs way too much money.

Just exactly why is this true, and not just a mere assertion to drive a narrative?

I listened to a segment of an NPR broadcast which interviewed a Salvadoran who had been returned to El Salvador.  He stated that the current policy was such that (A) he would not attempt to cross the border again (he had done it more than once), and (B) if he did, he would not bring children with him again.  I recognize this is an anecdote, but it's a significant one. 

Is there not a need to create disincentives to discourage illegal entry into our country?  That's a legitimate question that deserves an answer.  If so, what would an EFFECTIVE disincentive be?

Is it moral to treat folks who come here illegally (that are, in no way, legitimate asylum seekers) with the same welcoming that we treat those who came here legally and respected our laws?  That's a question that deserves an answer, and while there can be endless "whataboutisms" used to respond, there is a bottom line to that question. 

Why is enforcement cheaper than the expenses incurred in illegal aliens being in the US?

These aren't mysteries.  These are questions to which specific answers can be provided. 

Your response to "These people are fleeing terrible conditions and seeking asylum" is "I don't want brown people, make the US worse than the terrible place they came from so they don't come here."

[Rookie Yinzer]

It’s low on my priority list. If they’re caught at the border, send them back, if they make it, I don’t really care. There are significantly worse problems facing this country.

[Person Man]

It’s low on my priority list. If they’re caught at the border, send them back, if they make it, I don’t really care. There are significantly worse problems facing this country.

Obviously its an issue. Further restricting immigration and putting immigrants in concentration camps is not the way to deal with it, though. It fixes nothing, is immoral, and costs way too much money.

Just exactly why is this true, and not just a mere assertion to drive a narrative?

Are you.. are you asking why intentionally separating children from their parents and putting them in camps is immoral? Is this not obvious?

At certain point you have to start questioning whether certain people are non compos mentis.

I mean, just think of the reality of having to be constantly preached to and ordered around by people with serious mental and emotional disabilities.

[Green Line]

Criminal (violent) illegal immigrants are a problem, that's it.  And it's about #40 on the list of problems in America right now.

[America Needs R'hllor]

Obviously its an issue. Further restricting immigration and putting immigrants in concentration camps is not the way to deal with it, though. It fixes nothing, is immoral, and costs way too much money.

Just exactly why is this true, and not just a mere assertion to drive a narrative?

I listened to a segment of an NPR broadcast which interviewed a Salvadoran who had been returned to El Salvador.  He stated that the current policy was such that (A) he would not attempt to cross the border again (he had done it more than once), and (B) if he did, he would not bring children with him again.  I recognize this is an anecdote, but it's a significant one. 

Is there not a need to create disincentives to discourage illegal entry into our country?  That's a legitimate question that deserves an answer.  If so, what would an EFFECTIVE disincentive be?

Is it moral to treat folks who come here illegally (that are, in no way, legitimate asylum seekers) with the same welcoming that we treat those who came here legally and respected our laws?  That's a question that deserves an answer, and while there can be endless "whataboutisms" used to respond, there is a bottom line to that question. 

Why is enforcement cheaper than the expenses incurred in illegal aliens being in the US?

These aren't mysteries.  These are questions to which specific answers can be provided. 

This is one of the most morally bankrupt posts you've ever made. Very unfourtunate.

[BudgieForce]

WHAT is with the RANDOM CAPITALIZATION?

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It’s low on my priority list. If they’re caught at the border, send them back, if they make it, I don’t really care. There are significantly worse problems facing this country.

[Darthpi – Anti-Florida Activist]

It’s low on my priority list. If they’re caught at the border, send them back, if they make it, I don’t really care. There are significantly worse problems facing this country.

Mostly this. Also, I consider making it easier for people to legally immigrate to be at least as high a priority, if not higher.

[libertpaulian]

This whole "My grandpa and grandma came here from Germany/Italy/Ireland/Spain/Sweden/etc. LEGALLY!" trope is one of the biggest right-wing myths ever trotted out.

OF COURSE your great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandpa came here "legally."  THERE WAS NO IMMIGRATION LAW IN 18-whatever AS WE KNOW IT TODAY.  You didn't have thousands upon thousands upon thousands of statutes and regulations covering immigration law that rival only the US Tax Code in scope, complexity, and difficulty. 

All you really needed was to prove that you weren't carrying any dreadful diseases and that you weren't a criminal or tied to any current foreign enemy, and you were good as gold to come in.

So, the whole "legal vs. illegal" thing needs to stop.

[Cold War Liberal]

Criminal (violent) illegal immigrants are a problem, that's it.  And it's about #40 on the list of problems in America right now.

[Famous Mortimer]

Really don't understand the mentality of liberals who say it's a problem but not a big one. Seems like the ultimate moderate heroism.

If you're one of these people, why exactly do you think illegal immigration is a problem at all?

You seem to acknowledge in the abstract that it's not ideal but you can't name any concrete drawbacks and don't actually mind if people do it anyway.

Are you just dishonest open borders supporters?

[Famous Mortimer]

Like I don't know why the position of "try to stop them at the border but if they get in, let them stay" is so popular. I understand that it was the status quo under Obama but logically it really makes no sense at all.

If you think immigration is an unqualified good and that there's no drawback to letting large numbers of needy people come here (which seems to be the position of almost everyone here who's not a Trump supporter) why not just abolish all border security?

[Famous Mortimer]

This whole "My grandpa and grandma came here from Germany/Italy/Ireland/Spain/Sweden/etc. LEGALLY!" trope is one of the biggest right-wing myths ever trotted out.

OF COURSE your great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandpa came here "legally."  THERE WAS NO IMMIGRATION LAW IN 18-whatever AS WE KNOW IT TODAY.  You didn't have thousands upon thousands upon thousands of statutes and regulations covering immigration law that rival only the US Tax Code in scope, complexity, and difficulty. 

All you really needed was to prove that you weren't carrying any dreadful diseases and that you weren't a criminal or tied to any current foreign enemy, and you were good as gold to come in.

So, the whole "legal vs. illegal" thing needs to stop.

We had no standards in the past so now we are bound to have no standards forever?

Why are we bound to have the same immigration law we had in 1900 as opposed to the immigration law we had in 1950?

Why are we bound to have the same immigration law we had in 1900 but not the same laws regarding racial segregation we had in 1950?

"We did this in the past so we have to do it this way now" is a dumb argument.

I agree with you about the distinction between illegal and legal immigration needs to go.

We're full. We shouldn't allow either.