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Question: Should Britons be able to have a revote on Brexit?
Briton: Yes   -8 (5%)
Briton: No   -10 (6.3%)
Non-Briton: Yes   -62 (38.8%)
Non-Briton: No   -80 (50%)
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Total Voters: 160

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« on: June 24, 2018, 12:25:38 pm »

Now that the British have a better idea of what Brexit truly entails, perhaps they deserve a second chance, and this time make an informed decision....

Tens of thousands anti-Brexit protesters march in London, demand new vote
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« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2018, 12:46:01 pm »

I'm more of the "You broke it; you bought it" mindset when it comes to such things.
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« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2018, 01:03:21 pm »

Not for another 10 years. Its time electorates took responsibility for their actions.
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« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2018, 01:18:06 pm »

No, but parliament should stop Brexit anyway because nuanced policy shouldn't be decided by popular vote.
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« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2018, 01:21:19 pm »

No, but parliament should stop Brexit anyway because nuanced policy shouldn't be decided by popular vote.
A referendum was the agreed way to do this.
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« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2018, 01:22:23 pm »

I think so, yeah. The EU doesn't seem to be enthusiastic about a breakup, and if the British public doesn't want one anymore, it only makes sense.
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« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2018, 01:23:35 pm »

No, they should do the most soft Brexit possible. Cancelling the referendum result altogether would be wrong.
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« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2018, 01:26:28 pm »

No, they should do the most soft Brexit possible. Cancelling the referendum result altogether would be wrong.

Hard Brexit is what was sold by the Leave camp, with the exception of a few idealists like Daniel Hannan and careerists like Johnson. It should be a hard Brexit. And the EU will deserve the consequences too as its as much a failure of our system as a general culture of ignorance about the EU institutions in the UK.
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« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2018, 01:28:58 pm »

No, they should do the most soft Brexit possible. Cancelling the referendum result altogether would be wrong.

Hard Brexit is what was sold by the Leave camp, with the exception of a few idealists like Daniel Hannan and careerists like Johnson. It should be a hard Brexit. And the EU will deserve the consequences too as its as much a failure of our system as a general culture of ignorance about the EU institutions in the UK.
The people didn't vote for Hard Brexit - they just voted for a vague concept of Brexit. The most sensible option in that spectrum is the one Parliament ought to pick.
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« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2018, 02:05:08 pm »

Only if all the other EU countries also vote on whether to stay in the EU.
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« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2018, 02:57:38 pm »

Voted no (despite being on the remain side). Reasons as follow

A. A second referendum would tear the nation apart, absolute political chaos will follow in any way the results will go

B. Brexit will win in a larger margin as its now the default and the process is framed in a sunk cost way.

C. The re entry of Britain in 5-10 years will do the UK and the EU good by having a debate on what exactly do they want from it

D. Any post-Brexit settlement in Ulster would show the Tories for what they really are, tossers who dont really care for the union. And if pseudo government brought by Good Friday collapses then all the better.

E. The Tories are going to fall to pieces and well finally have a LabLib coalition
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« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2018, 03:19:35 pm »

I was leaning yes, but after reading all the answers already given on behalf of the No-side, I'd say no.
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« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2018, 03:31:14 pm »

No, but parliament should stop Brexit anyway because nuanced policy shouldn't be decided by popular vote.
A referendum was the agreed way to do this.
Doesn't mean it should be. All laws and policies should be made by elected professional politicians.
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« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2018, 05:26:24 pm »

No, but parliament should stop Brexit anyway because nuanced policy shouldn't be decided by popular vote.
A referendum was the agreed way to do this.
Doesn't mean it should be. All laws and policies should be made by elected professional politicians.
living in CA really forces one to wake up to the reality doesn't it?  Voters are idiots.
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« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2018, 11:12:54 pm »

Nah, they've made their bed etc
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« Reply #15 on: June 25, 2018, 08:45:03 am »

No. Brexit shouldn't be reversible

The only way I'd change my mind is if somehow the Lib Dems campaigned on a 2nd referendum and somehow managed to get an overall majority and 50%+ of the vote. That would be a mandate for a 2nd referendum.

Since the Lib Dems aren't going to win an election, no. If Britain wants to join the EU again they can do so after they've left. Maybe they can complete all the chapters and reenter the EU around 2026.
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« Reply #16 on: June 25, 2018, 12:36:35 pm »

The only thing more humiliating thing than Brexitting in the first place would be immediately slinking back in crying about how scary it was outside.
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« Reply #17 on: June 25, 2018, 01:26:04 pm »

Don't understand the logic people aren't allowed to change their minds - it shouldn't be the British people paying for the short-sightedness, arrogance and obsessions of Conservative party politicians.
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« Reply #18 on: June 25, 2018, 02:17:59 pm »

Absolutely not. The British people voted to leave the EU. Sorry cosmopolitans, you lost and you don't get to have the nation vote on the same issue over and over again until they finally give you the answer you want.
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« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2018, 02:43:36 pm »

Thing is, the idea that any given issue should only be voted on once has never been how direct democracy works in practice.

We held dozens of referendums on "limiting mass immigration" until one eventually passed. Should the right-wing nationalists have just shut up when they lost the first one in the 1970s? or when they lost the Schengen vote in 2005? or the free movement vote in 2009?
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« Reply #20 on: June 25, 2018, 03:06:26 pm »

The petty side of me says yes, let's have another go. Let's have the likes of Tony Blair and Nick Clegg tour the country calling people stupid racists. Please. I want nothing more than to see the breakdown that would occur when they lost.

But then again, people I care about and I would have to live through it and whatever nonsense followed, so maybe not.
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« Reply #21 on: June 25, 2018, 03:17:47 pm »

Thing is, the idea that any given issue should only be voted on once has never been how direct democracy works in practice.

We held dozens of referendums on "limiting mass immigration" until one eventually passed. Should the right-wing nationalists have just shut up when they lost the first one in the 1970s? or when they lost the Schengen vote in 2005? or the free movement vote in 2009?

And it was still absolutely scandalous that the immigration referendum wasn't followed. We (EU) would have finally followed Martin Sonneborn's advice and built a wall around Switzerland, to end their special arrangement and free riding off of our security while spitting on our values once and for all. If only our political class didn't have Swiss bank accounts.

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« Reply #22 on: June 26, 2018, 02:10:38 am »

No, elections have consequences. And the people, especially those who don't go out and vote, must feel this.

If Great Britain wants to rejoin in 10 or 15 years, we can talk.
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« Reply #23 on: June 26, 2018, 07:00:56 pm »

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« Reply #24 on: June 26, 2018, 09:17:15 pm »

No, but I'm generally opposed to dictating foreign policy by direct democracy anyway.
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