Why are "socially liberal but fiscally moderate/conservative" people so hated?

[President Johnson]

It seems to me that people who are socially liberal and fiscally moderate or conservative are the most hated political group that is within the democratic (small d) mainstream. Referring not to specifically to Atlas, but more in general. Is that just my missinterpretation because I consider myself part of this group, or really the case? And if so, why? I consider it a pragmatic and great combination of believes.

[Wisconsin SC Race 2019]

Because they're associated with the American Libertarian movement, which brings along quite a bit of nasty stereotypes.

[Santander]

Because they are bad people.

[RINO Tom]

They're easy to pain as selfish.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

Because it's a meaningless meme.

[mvd10]

Because we've been in charge for the past 40 years while all other losers have wasted their time whining on internet forums

But face it, we've actually been dominating the political elite almost everywhere for the past 40 years

[TheSaint250]

Politicians don't like people who value freedom over increasing government control.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Because you guys keep getting your way on everything and it's leading humanity down the drain.

[DC Al Fine]

Because they tend to be insufferable

And if so, why? I consider it a pragmatic and great combination of believes.

You're not a bad guy Johnson but the above phrase is a good example of what I'm talking about. Pretty much everyone considers their politics pragmatic. Fiscally conservative/socially liberal types are notorious for coming off as believing that they're the only pragmatic logical ones, they're the only ones who listen to evidence etc. Socialist and Traditionalist writers have thought through their views logically too, but they tend not to act like they're the only ones who have done so.

[mvd10]

Because you guys keep getting your way on everything and it's leading humanity down the drain.

We don't win elections, we win the minds and hearts of elected politicians. Social democrats, right-wing liberals, left-wing liberals, conservatives, Christian democrats, it doesn't matter. We win .

[parochial boy]

Can we please stop using"fiscal" as a synonym for "economic policy". That isn't what the word means. Thanks

[RINO Tom]

Just a side note, but I think it's funny that on this site "socially liberal" is often simply conflated with "not socially conservative."  It is thought of as the "default" social view, whereas being "socially conservative" is the stray from the norm which implies a noticeable love for tradition and/or opposition to being "open minded."  I just as easily think of someone who takes the time to identify as "socially liberal" as this:



Just saying, this site associates "social liberalism" with The Elite™, but most wealthy people I know don't get too worked up about social issues either way, LOL.

[Mr. Smith]

Because the ideology generally doesn't care much for the collective, greater good, seeking individuality as if man is only an island.

[Sirius_]

Because the ideology generally doesn't care much for the collective, greater good, seeking individuality as if man is only an island.

This is in no way a blanket statement, and completely untrue for several people like myself who would fall under this category (although I'm on the left side). What I do believe is that we need to focus on people that actually need help instead of giving everyone freebies and that we can't give stuff away without a plan or funds. It's still a belief in helping the greater good, just in ways that are feasible.

[wxtransit]

Because you guys keep getting your way on everything and it's leading humanity down the drain.

[Ohioguy29]

To people for whom economic inequality is one of their top issues, the stuff the socially liberal/fiscally conservative crowd is focused on seems like distraction and useless fluff. It also seems pretty empty to say you care about racial minorities, the trans community, etc., but then when you talk about combating the economic inequality that keeps those groups down, then these people often lose interest. Finally, I find that crowd tends to be the group that loves talking about how much they hate poor white people, which is the fastest way you can turn me off. A lot of this crowd also complains about the left's purity testing (a valid complaint), but then they turn around and have their own purity tests (ex. "Bernie voted the wrong way on a gun bill 10 years ago!") Finally, this is the group who has the most prominent voice in the media and is currently winning the culture wars and dominating the conversation, which naturally attracts resentment. These are all generalizations which aren't always true, and I wouldn't say I hate this group of people (although we have basically nothing in common politically), but these are issues I've run into and which I've heard other people complain about. Other groups have their own issues, of course. I've had a lot of bad experience with progressives, conservatives, and everyone in between.

I don't feel like they're the most hated group at all though. I feel like socially conservative and moderate Dems are more hated, at least by people within the party; both progressives and the social liberal/fiscal moderate crowd tends to hate on that group.

[Beet]

The meaning of social liberalism has changed. It used to mean you were for civil rights and were secular and sexually liberated and were for women's rights and were pro-choice. Now it means you get offended at minor things, engage in online bullying of anyone who doesn't toe the line, virtue signal, and make race-baiting your bread and butter.

As for economic conservatism, for about three-quarters of my life the core of this ideology was Hayek and Friedman and the idea that if just left alone, the market would fix everything. That whole thing fell down dead in 2008, when the entire economy would have collapsed without government intervention. Sure you can still make the argument for less regulations, lower taxes, yes, but the soul of that belief system was ripped out in 2008. It's like the collapse of the Soviet Union. A whole edifice came tumbling down.

[Goldwater]

The meaning of social liberalism has changed. It used to mean you were for civil rights and were secular and sexually liberated and were for women's rights and were pro-choice. Now it means you get offended at minor things, engage in online bullying of anyone who doesn't toe the line, virtue signal, and make race-baiting your bread and butter.

That sounds more like modern social conservatism TBH.

[tallguy23]

Because they usually vote GOP for a tax cut at the expense of equal rights for minority groups.

[IceSpear]

The 00s were the decade of the "fiscally blah blah socially whatever", the 10s are the decade of the #populists<3. What will the 20s bring?

[DC Al Fine]

The 00s were the decade of the "fiscally blah blah socially whatever", the 10s are the decade of the #populists<3. What will the 20s bring?

Alcoholism mostly

[Anzeigenhauptmeister]

Because most fiscally conservative people hate the poor.
While they boast about how tolerant they are towards some marginalized groups, they have a habit of stirring up hatred against poor people, such as the unemployed, low-wage earner, single parents,the sick and disabled, college students etc.

[Sirius_]

The meaning of social liberalism has changed. It used to mean you were for civil rights and were secular and sexually liberated and were for women's rights and were pro-choice. Now it means you get offended at minor things, engage in online bullying of anyone who doesn't toe the line, virtue signal, and make race-baiting your bread and butter.

That was never the meaning of social liberalism, a quick google search would tell you this.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

The meaning of social liberalism has changed. It used to mean you were for civil rights and were secular and sexually liberated and were for women's rights and were pro-choice. Now it means you get offended at minor things, engage in online bullying of anyone who doesn't toe the line, virtue signal, and make race-baiting your bread and butter.

That was never the meaning of social liberalism, a quick google search would tell you this.

He's doing a bit. It gets even worse when people fall for it all too easily.

[YE]

It's the ideology most commonly associated with elitism and as an extension, one must subject by citizens via the corporate media. On a slightly different note, I also think it's quite a product of the terms of our political debate are centered on social issues that "socially liberal/fiscally conservative" is regarded as pragmatic when in reality there are greater political repercussions from rubbing hot button social issues like gun control down people's throat than increasing taxes on a few billionaires to create a universal pre-K program, at least in the context of our current political climate but I'm sure others here disagree.