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« Reply #225 on: September 08, 2019, 12:13:28 am »

This should be where we stand going into 2021 redistricting, assuming this decision also gets applied to the NC congressional districts.  Green = significant restrictions on legislature, Yellow = completely independent process



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CT+ME: 2/3rds of legislature needed to pass a map
OH: partisan maps expire after 4 years instead of 10
KY: state constitution prohibits splitting counties unnecessarily (so cannot gerrymander KY-03)
NY+UT: commission proposes map that legislature can amend within certain limits




You've correctly noted the restrictions in Ohio, but I would not deem them significant.

Are they really not? I thought the restrictions on city/county splits was a rather significant one. In other words, for example, there should have to be a district entirely within Hamilton County that contains all of Cincinnati.
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« Reply #226 on: September 08, 2019, 11:49:28 am »

This should be where we stand going into 2021 redistricting, assuming this decision also gets applied to the NC congressional districts.  Green = significant restrictions on legislature, Yellow = completely independent process



Notes:

CT+ME: 2/3rds of legislature needed to pass a map
OH: partisan maps expire after 4 years instead of 10
KY: state constitution prohibits splitting counties unnecessarily (so cannot gerrymander KY-03)
NY+UT: commission proposes map that legislature can amend within certain limits




You've correctly noted the restrictions in Ohio, but I would not deem them significant.

Are they really not? I thought the restrictions on city/county splits was a rather significant one. In other words, for example, there should have to be a district entirely within Hamilton County that contains all of Cincinnati.

Okay, this is far enough off topic for NC related redisrticting, which this thread is about.
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« Reply #227 on: September 08, 2019, 10:49:14 pm »

The plaintiffs have requested Nathaniel Persily to be the referee. He drew the Pennsylvania Congressional redo last year. He also drew the current districts for Connecticut and New York at the beginning of the decade.

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« Reply #228 on: September 08, 2019, 11:09:51 pm »

The plaintiffs have requested Nathaniel Persily to be the referee. He drew the Pennsylvania Congressional redo last year. He also drew the current districts for Connecticut and New York at the beginning of the decade.



He's a excellent choice for the type  of outcome desired by the plaintiffs.
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« Reply #229 on: September 08, 2019, 11:19:02 pm »

Isn't the one that drew a map more favorable to Democrats than 99% of other maps?
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« Reply #230 on: September 09, 2019, 12:56:03 am »

The New York map is rather decent, as is the PA map with a few minor quibbles, so I am hopeful if he is selected.
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« Reply #231 on: September 09, 2019, 09:29:06 am »

One of the requirements the court handed down was that the drawing of the new map be done in public. That's starting this morning.

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« Reply #232 on: September 09, 2019, 12:26:44 pm »

This should be where we stand going into 2021 redistricting, assuming this decision also gets applied to the NC congressional districts.  Green = significant restrictions on legislature, Yellow = completely independent process



Notes:

CT+ME: 2/3rds of legislature needed to pass a map
OH: partisan maps expire after 4 years instead of 10
KY: state constitution prohibits splitting counties unnecessarily (so cannot gerrymander KY-03)
NY+UT: commission proposes map that legislature can amend within certain limits




You've correctly noted the restrictions in Ohio, but I would not deem them significant.

Are they really not? I thought the restrictions on city/county splits was a rather significant one. In other words, for example, there should have to be a district entirely within Hamilton County that contains all of Cincinnati.


( last comment on this to avoid derailing)

Sorry, I thought you meant only the requirement to remap after 4 years if the parties can't agree rather than waiting a full 10. That's pretty much a paper tiger in my book, though the restrictions on city and county splits is noteworthy I agree.
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« Reply #233 on: September 09, 2019, 04:41:02 pm »

This is hilarious, North Carolina Republicans continue to break the law.

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« Reply #234 on: September 10, 2019, 05:21:23 pm »

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« Reply #235 on: September 10, 2019, 05:52:40 pm »

The courts need to draw the map themselves.
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« Reply #236 on: September 11, 2019, 08:51:47 am »
« Edited: September 11, 2019, 08:56:57 am by Gass3268 »

This is disgusting. Luckily the State Senate can block it.

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« Reply #237 on: September 11, 2019, 10:41:50 am »

These people are scum, absolute ing scum.
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« Reply #238 on: September 11, 2019, 11:25:59 am »

I'm sure all these fine individuals will have an epiphany once Trump leaves office.
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« Reply #239 on: September 11, 2019, 11:44:16 am »

I'm sure all these fine individuals will have an epiphany once Trump leaves office.

I'm not.  The party in general seems to be focused entirely on holding and exercising power at the expense of any other principles.
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« Reply #240 on: September 11, 2019, 11:50:31 am »
« Edited: September 11, 2019, 02:20:51 pm by Nyvin »

Does the NCGOP even know the purpose of having a legislative assembly of representatives?   They're there to represent the interests of the people in the state, not rig the system to get what they want.

They did this while the NC House Dems were attending a ceremony for 9/11....wow!
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« Reply #241 on: September 11, 2019, 02:35:12 pm »

Does the NCGOP even know the purpose of having a legislative assembly of representatives?   They're there to represent the interests of the people in the state, not rig the system to get what they want.

They did this while the NC House Dems were attending a ceremony for 9/11....wow!
I hope Democrats use this against them in campaign ads and in campaigning in general and in town halls. They would be foolish not too.
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« Reply #242 on: September 11, 2019, 02:42:56 pm »

The NC Republican party needs to go the way of VA's, and fast.
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« Reply #243 on: September 11, 2019, 02:51:04 pm »

Hang them all outside of the state capital and let them rot.
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« Reply #244 on: September 11, 2019, 03:07:20 pm »

Why is the NCGOP so angry
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« Reply #245 on: September 11, 2019, 03:25:05 pm »


It's all that white privilege guilt.
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« Reply #246 on: September 11, 2019, 08:26:32 pm »

The NC Republican party needs to go the way of VA's, and fast.

They are even more deplorable than WV Republicans.
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« Reply #247 on: September 11, 2019, 09:01:01 pm »




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« Reply #248 on: September 11, 2019, 09:28:10 pm »

This is like a perfect example, LIVE, of why lawmakers should not be allowed anywhere near the maps and basically a non-factor in the process. They won't be able to help themselves, even when under court order. They don't want to risk losing their jobs and many of them don't even want to have to actually run in a competitive election and will do whatever they have to in order to avoid it. It's a massive conflict of interest and one of the founding father's biggest mistakes.
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« Reply #249 on: September 11, 2019, 09:36:26 pm »

I kind of liked this explanation on Slate for what is going on here:

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Republicans surely know they stand little chance of winning this round. By trolling the court, they are all but ensuring the appointment of a special master. At that point, Republicans can accuse the judges of overreach and demonize the judiciary. A number of important judicial seats are up for election in 2020, and GOP lawmakers may hope to provoke a backlash against progressive judges to rally the base. Whatever the cause for their bad behavior, North Carolina Republicans have spent the last few days proving once again that they could not draw a fair map to save their lives.

I don't think these politicians have any real hope that this will work, so they are just trying to weaponize the entire affair. The issue though is that they don't need to do this to "rally the base." They can just say whatever they want and their base will gobble it up. It's how politics works these days. And I'm really skeptical the GOP base even cares or feels passionately about this anyway. Maybe if they can get Trump to spend weeks railing against the NC judges and doing rallies in the state leading up to the 2020 elections, but other than that, it's not likely to cause any movement.

The other rationale is that NCGOP politicians are so immovably corrupt that even when forced into a situation where it is virtually impossible to gerrymander again due to the restrictions placed on the process, they simply can't produce a fair map because every inch of their being is screaming for them to manipulate the process anyway just for that 0.0001% chance it works. When they have no ethical foundation to lean on in the first place, it's really easy to give in to the urge to gerrymander anyway. What do they care? They won't personally face any repercussions for it. And all of this is a great argument for why they should.
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