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Question: Do you believe California has collapsed/is on the verge of collapsing?
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Author Topic: Why do conservatives keep saying California has "collapsed"?  (Read 4497 times)
Mike Thick
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« on: July 17, 2018, 05:51:29 AM »

It's interesting to read the attempts to assign California's problems to either left-wing or right-wing political thinking.

My take is that something like NIMBY issues fails to map well on to either the traditional left-right spectrum or the libertarian-favored political matrix. You can argue about whose interests are driving California's problems, but IMO it's a great example of how impoverished and useless these conceptual frameworks have become.

This is 100% correct. In a sane world, the divide would be class-based, but the socioeconomic groups who are adversely affected by NIMBYism don’t turn out to vote.

In the beach town I live in, a little north of LA, a proposal to rezone some areas on our hillsides for affordable housing development was voted down in a referendum last year. Now, as our once-vibrant downtown becomes increasingly seedy (recently, a young father was stabbed to death by a homeless man in an upscale restaurant as he held his young daughter in his lap), the people who opposed the rezoning are pushing to crack down on the homeless by arresting them or by bussing them out of the city. All because they oppose actual structural reform, since it would bring the value of their house down to $900,000 from $1,000,000  or whatever.

Eventually, they’ll realize that changes are necessary, because even the nice areas of our cities will become impassable in a way that cosmetic fixes can’t solve. The question is when. The longer it takes, the closer to “collapse” California will get.
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Mike Thick
tedbessell
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 7,084


Political Matrix
E: -6.65, S: -8.26

« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2018, 03:48:31 PM »

What is the median housing price in Richmond these days (a city that used to be something of a slum)? Prices are out of control in parts of SoCal too, particularly in neighborhoods that are reasonably desirable in the closer in hoods of Los Angeles (if farther out, welcome to unmitigated traffic hell). Even in still pretty rough neighborhoods, a 1500 square foot house can cost 500K. I own a house I planned to retire to in Silverlake (about 5 miles from downtown LA) that I paid 825K for about 9 years ago. It is worth close to two million now. What was once merely a quite expensive housing market, has now become catastrophically expensive. Public policy on this issue has been an epic fail, with self serving nimby zoning being perhaps the primary culprit. Can one build a frigging thing these days in Marin County, which must be left pristine to save the planet and a bucolic setting or something?



I'm intrigued that people still have lawns in South California. Have they not realised they live in a godforsaken desert yet or...?

Nah, most people here just let their lawns go brown and die
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