opinion of straw bans

[dead0man]

from a fearmongering article about straws

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ya know, .02%...but it gets better

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it's good that the fearmongerers know that what they're selling is bull sh**t....it's weird that they keep pushing though, right?  If you want to get plastic out of the ocean you have to go to the source, and it's not modern western liberal democracies.  We know how to take care of our trash.

National Geographic

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[Sirius_]

One of the many unfortunate instances of society choosing silly "environmentalism" over real environmentalism. Don't straws are the main thing killing the ocean.

[America Needs R'hllor]

Stupid bans. I don't like it when leftists go overly authoritarian on these ridiculously minor issues.
It's also going to be funny if straws will be illegal while weapons of mass murder remain legal. America.

[parochial boy]

But not using a straw is easy and makes you feel good about yourself. Addressing waste disposal in Asia is poltical and complicated

[dead0man]

But not using a straw is easy and makes you feel good about yourself. Addressing waste disposal in Asia is poltical and complicated

but using a straw doesn't hurt anything if you put it in the trash when you're done and we're not talking about what lies an individual tells themselves to feel better about being alive.  This isn't about an individual choosing to give up a thing, it's about a govt removing a useful tool from the market for no good reason.

[parochial boy]

But not using a straw is easy and makes you feel good about yourself. Addressing waste disposal in Asia is poltical and complicated

but using a straw doesn't hurt anything if you put it in the trash when you're done and we're not talking about what lies an individual tells themselves to feel better about being alive.  This isn't about an individual choosing to give up a thing, it's about a govt removing a useful tool from the market for no good reason.

Dead0, I was agreeing with you - point being it is much easier to campaign/push to ban straws rather than address structural problems in developing economies, but the campaigners still ge that "feel good" feeling from getting a ban through

[DC Al Fine]

One of the many unfortunate instances of society choosing silly "environmentalism" over real environmentalism. Don't straws are the main thing killing the ocean.

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

I oppose it strongly because people with some disabilities need plastic straws. I'd support it otherwise.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

In conjunction with more far reaching bans - FB.

I don’t think straws are a major problem threat for ocean life (Especially in the West were most waste is destined for landfill or incineration), but they are symptomatic of a consumer culture that encourages wastefulness that mos be tamed.

[Consciously Unconscious]

It's a stupid ban, so that people can act like they're making a huge difference.  Plastic straws are hardly the largest plastic environmental concern. As mentioned before, some people with disabilities need them as well.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

If you don’t drink soft drinks, you will find few situations in which a straw is expected to be used.

[dead0man]

I don’t think straws are a major problem threat for ocean life (Especially in the West were most waste is destined for landfill or incineration), but they are symptomatic of a consumer culture that encourages wastefulness that mos be tamed.

how would a ban help that?  Seems like it would be more likely to make "regular" people think they've done something about that issue, lets move on to different recreational outrage.  We need to ban....ummmm...lets go with Energy Drinks with vodka in them!  Won't someone think of the children, we must do SOMETHING!



Banning a thing you know won't help fix the issue it's ostensibly meant to help is mean spirited....at best.

[Yellowhammer]

Banning plastic straws is useless, unhelpful virtue signaling.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Banning plastic straws is useless, unhelpful virtue signaling.

Yes, we will need bigger, far wider reaching bans!

[Antonio the Sixth]

Maybe if straws were banned, Dead0man would have to stop building strawmen.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

It's a stupid ban, so that people can act like they're making a huge difference.  Plastic straws are hardly the largest plastic environmental concern. As mentioned before, some people with disabilities need them as well.

[PSOL]

It's a stupid ban, so that people can act like they're making a huge difference.  Plastic straws are hardly the largest plastic environmental concern. As mentioned before, some people with disabilities need them as well.

[Goldwater]

Straws are great, strongly oppose.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

by the way, would it be fair to call this thread a 'straw poll?'

[Izzyeviel]

by the way, would it be fair to call this thread a 'straw poll?'

/thread

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Never really felt the need for straws myself.  The adult sippy cup lids that will be the likely replacement for most uses will do the job for about the same cost and a smidgen less plastic.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

The war on plastic recently is also caused by another issue: China has announced it will no longer import garbage and waste plastics, which will lead to many countries having far more waste than they have the ability to handle.

The big problem for marine waste though is the fishing industry. About half of all marine plastics in the great paicific garbage pack. come from fishing nets, and the remaining half is still dominated by various platric detritus from other fishing gear: ropes, eel traps, oyster spacers, crates etc. That said domestic plastics do tend to proliferate in other seas (the worst of them probably being plastic bags).

[dead0man]

Never really felt the need for straws myself.  The adult sippy cup lids that will be the likely replacement for most uses will do the job for about the same cost and a smidgen less plastic.

not at Starbucks.  link

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[Sirius_]

Starbucks:
>Bans Plastic Straws
>Still Uses Plastic Cups

[HillGoose]

that's a thing?

never herd of it