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« on: July 17, 2018, 09:01:09 AM »

As we all know, California and Arizona both moved about 7% points to the left in 2016. With that in mind, I have two questions:

1. Why did Nevada swing R considering it's similar to Arizona? Is it only because of the high % of working class?

2. Why did Colorado also voted more R compared to 2012? High hispanic population like other western states + the most college educated state in the region. It just doesn't make sense to me.
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« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2018, 09:30:28 AM »

It's all about the campaigns. Obama targeted NV and CO hard in 2008/2012. Those two states were bound to track right when he wasn't on the ballot. AZ was targeted much harder by Hillary than it was by Obama so it was an outlier in its D trend.
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« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2018, 09:46:55 PM »

Nevada has been a bit of a bellwether since 1992, and voted for the winner of every election since 1912 sans 1976, the real surprise should be that Trump didn't win it. That or Hillary lost.

As for Colorado, perhaps there was some wisdom in the old Atlas mantra about Hillary being a bad fit for Colorado.
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« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2018, 04:46:10 PM »

Besides what's already been said: In Colorado's case, there was a lot of non-college whites outside the Denver area that Trump won in higher numbers than Romney. A lot of college whites were already targeted by the Obama campaign in '08 and '12, but still, Clinton improved marginally with them. Overall it was a wash.
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« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2018, 11:49:25 PM »

For Colorado, please note that southern Colorado is similar to the Midwest, so Trump did very well in that region (flipping several counties, including two that hadn't voted R in over 40 years).
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« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2018, 07:53:46 AM »

It's all about the campaigns. Obama targeted NV and CO hard in 2008/2012. Those two states were bound to track right when he wasn't on the ballot. AZ was targeted much harder by Hillary than it was by Obama so it was an outlier in its D trend.

Colorado actually trended D in 2016. What else do you call going from 5.3% statewide to 4.9% statewide while going from 3.9% to 2.1% nationally?
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« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2018, 07:40:38 PM »

It's all about the campaigns. Obama targeted NV and CO hard in 2008/2012. Those two states were bound to track right when he wasn't on the ballot. AZ was targeted much harder by Hillary than it was by Obama so it was an outlier in its D trend.

Colorado actually trended D in 2016. What else do you call going from 5.3% statewide to 4.9% statewide while going from 3.9% to 2.1% nationally?

I'll accept your point, even though it's a pedantic one about how one defines a "trend". The point I was trying to make was that Clinton's relative (to Trump's) level of support in 2016 was smaller than Obama's (to Romney) in '12 despite the fact that the state is undergoing explosive growth that made it demographically friendly to Clinton. An Obama-type campaign (rare as it might be) could have done much much better than D + 4.9%.
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« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2018, 07:46:44 PM »

Nevada trended R because Clinton did worse than Obama in the suburbs and has a large percentage of uneducated whites.
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« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2018, 07:42:04 PM »

1. Why did Nevada swing R considering it's similar to Arizona? Is it only because of the high % of working class?

Yes, mostly. Plus there are some good numbers of rural (outstate of Vegas and to a certain extent Reno areas) that happen to be really responsive to populist politicians. So the kind that may not have turned out for Sandoval, Angle, Hardy, Heck, etc.

2. Why did Colorado also voted more R compared to 2012? High hispanic population like other western states + the most college educated state in the region. It just doesn't make sense to me.

Mostly just the national swing. It's still clearly going hard toward the Democrats. Maybe just not as fast as say Virginia or Texas on the other side are.

But very few states moved left in terms of raw (percentage) margin in 2016.

Gary Johnson and perhaps also McMullin may have ate into the support from certain Obama voters who chose that third-party candidate over Clinton (Colorado's unique in that small-L libertarians almost certainly draw more from the D's than the R's regularly)

It's also right across a border from Johnson's home state/governing place of New Mexico, what with its ski resorts as well. Just think Colorado Springs: marijuana legalization, low taxes, gay-straight alliances, wealthy white and blue-collar, anti-inverventionist dovish, it's a libertarian's paradise.
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« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2019, 04:57:15 PM »

The vast majority of Americans swung R, and that includes all of those who stayed home.
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« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2019, 03:04:07 AM »

As we all know, California and Arizona both moved about 7% points to the left in 2016. With that in mind, I have two questions:

1. Why did Nevada swing R considering it's similar to Arizona? Is it only because of the high % of working class?

2. Why did Colorado also voted more R compared to 2012? High hispanic population like other western states + the most college educated state in the region. It just doesn't make sense to me.

Colorado swung R because Trump did better than Romney.

Actually, I consider the state to have swung D because it's relative to the distance from the national vote.
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