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« on: July 19, 2018, 08:58:45 AM »

Israel has effectively declared itself an apartheid state:

Israel Passes Law Anchoring Itself as Nation-State of the Jewish People

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« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2018, 09:14:49 AM »

haven't they learned that they can't do things that are "largely symbolic and declarative" without pissing off their way too easily triggered neighbors and anti-Zionists the world over?  You've got to use kid gloves when dealing with people that emotionally fragile.
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« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2018, 10:19:08 AM »

Very good move. Apparently Israel being a Jewish state is still controversial after 70 years, so let's enshrine it into law.
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« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2018, 10:23:19 AM »

Israel was created for the purpose of being a Jewish state, therefore this should be uncontroversial, as it's just reaffirming it's purpose.
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« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2018, 10:35:26 AM »

As a lawyer in Israel and far from being a good Zionist (probably not at all). This is all fake news, this bill has no content and changes nothing.
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« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2018, 10:48:40 AM »

Israel has effectively declared itself an apartheid state:

I don't support this law, but surely you have enough knowledge in history and civics to recognize the difference of "nation-state" and "appartheid"?
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« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2018, 10:52:13 AM »

Israel was created for the purpose of being a Jewish state, therefore this should be uncontroversial, as it's just reaffirming it's purpose.

The question is whether there is any need to reaffirm this fact with ornamental legislation, given the antagonism (rightly or wrongly) it will cause.
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« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2018, 10:59:08 AM »

Israel was created for the purpose of being a Jewish state, therefore this should be uncontroversial, as it's just reaffirming it's purpose.

The question is whether there is any need to reaffirm this fact with ornamental legislation, given the antagonism (rightly or wrongly) it will cause.

Of course not. But how else would the Netanyahu government fan the flames of division in the delicate Israeli society? I mean, they've been doing everything they can to make us hate each other for years, it'd be unfitting to stop now.
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« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2018, 11:26:58 AM »

The legal consecration of the already existing spacial segregation is a tragedy and a sign that Israel might evolve towards undemocratic forms of state. Terrible development.
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« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2018, 11:28:26 AM »

Very good move. Apparently Israel being a Jewish state is still controversial after 70 years, so let's enshrine it into law.

Completely agreed. To deny Israel its essential, Jewish-nature is to deny Israel itself.
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« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2018, 11:35:26 AM »

The legal consecration of the already existing spacial segregation is a tragedy and a sign that Israel might evolve towards undemocratic forms of state. Terrible development.
This part was taken out of the law because President Rivlin didn't like it.

The question is whether there is any need to reaffirm this fact with ornamental legislation, given the antagonism (rightly or wrongly) it will cause.
"Nationalism for me, but not for thee", Santander?
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« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2018, 11:55:25 AM »

Very good move. Apparently Israel being a Jewish state is still controversial after 70 years, so let's enshrine it into law.

The issue is not that Israel should not be considered a Jewish nation state, something that should be pretty obvious. That was the whole point of establishing Israel, wasn't it? The issue is that new law is clearly aimed at downgrading the rights of a sizeable ethnic minority, which is just wrong. Especially if to consider the crap Jews had to deal for centuries from majorities in other countries they inhabited.
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« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2018, 11:57:04 AM »


The question is whether there is any need to reaffirm this fact with ornamental legislation, given the antagonism (rightly or wrongly) it will cause.
"Nationalism for me, but not for thee", Santander?

Of course that is not what I am saying, although I would not really describe myself as a nationalist, since my agreement with nationalists is rooted mostly in dislike of certain countries. I am obviously a supporter of Israel and its Zionist underpinnings, but I do not really see the purpose, other than politics, of such divisive symbolic legislation, considering Israel's Jewish nature is already enshrined, if not in Basic Law, in the flag, the national anthem, the Law of Return, and so many other laws and symbols.
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« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2018, 12:09:14 PM »

The legal consecration of the already existing spacial segregation is a tragedy and a sign that Israel might evolve towards undemocratic forms of state. Terrible development.
This part was taken out of the law because President Rivlin didn't like it.

That's not quite accurate. No one in Likud cares what Rivlin thinks today. It was probably taken out because the Attorney General and other legal officials voiced opposition, and it was clear it wouldn't pass the Supreme Court.
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« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2018, 12:26:58 PM »

Yeah, the Takes about this were all clearly written before the last minute changes to avoid Legal Embarrassment.
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« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2018, 12:41:49 PM »

The legal consecration of the already existing spacial segregation is a tragedy and a sign that Israel might evolve towards undemocratic forms of state. Terrible development.
This part was taken out of the law because President Rivlin didn't like it.

The question is whether there is any need to reaffirm this fact with ornamental legislation, given the antagonism (rightly or wrongly) it will cause.
"Nationalism for me, but not for thee", Santander?

I mean, I'd imagine it rather common for one nation's "nationalists" to not have a vested interest in the success of another nation's "nationalists," no?
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« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2018, 01:08:22 PM »

The legal consecration of the already existing spacial segregation is a tragedy and a sign that Israel might evolve towards undemocratic forms of state. Terrible development.
This part was taken out of the law because President Rivlin didn't like it.

That's not quite accurate. No one in Likud cares what Rivlin thinks today. It was probably taken out because the Attorney General and other legal officials voiced opposition, and it was clear it wouldn't pass the Supreme Court.

OK, it's my fault for not having paid attention in the last week. Everything related with Israel and Palestine provokes me a sense of bitterness and I'm not always in the mood.

From what I checked in the news, this law consecrates the discrimination of minorities within the State of Israel. It's still a terrible development and is clearly indicative of the undemocratic nature of the state envisioned by Israeli extremists.

I've read something about other legislative projects this Israeli administration wants to pass. It's truly depressing.
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« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2018, 01:09:01 PM »

It says non-Jewish people do not have the right to self-determination in Israel.
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« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2018, 01:10:56 PM »

The left only cares about minorities these days. No wonder they can't get majorities to vote for them anymore.
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« Reply #19 on: July 19, 2018, 01:19:06 PM »

The left only cares about minorities these days. No wonder they can't get majorities to vote for them anymore.
“First they came after the trade unionists...”
At a point they will come after you, or something will bite your hand, don’t expect people to take it swimmingly. Excuse us for caring about justice and fairness for a better life.
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« Reply #20 on: July 19, 2018, 01:19:52 PM »

It says non-Jewish people do not have the right to self-determination in Israel.

The law only refers to national self-determination, as a collective, and speaks nothing of individual self-determination. If you recognize that Israel is a Jewish state, then it only makes sense that Jews alone have a collective right to national self-determination in Israel.
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« Reply #21 on: July 19, 2018, 02:04:20 PM »

The left only cares about minorities these days. No wonder they can't get majorities to vote for them anymore.

If you think in that way about minorities, then I'll have to deduce that you're lacking the necessry historical awareness about your own people.
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« Reply #22 on: July 19, 2018, 05:25:36 PM »

The left only cares about minorities these days. No wonder they can't get majorities to vote for them anymore.
“First they came after the trade unionists...”
At a point they will come after you, or something will bite your hand, don’t expect people to take it swimmingly. Excuse us for caring about justice and fairness for a better life.

Using "first they came" to criticize a hated Jewish state. How ironic.
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« Reply #23 on: July 19, 2018, 05:43:14 PM »

The left only cares about minorities these days. No wonder they can't get majorities to vote for them anymore.
“First they came after the trade unionists...”
At a point they will come after you, or something will bite your hand, don’t expect people to take it swimmingly. Excuse us for caring about justice and fairness for a better life.

Using "first they came" to criticize a hated Jewish state. How ironic.

Ironic that Israel would act in such a way to deserve 'first they came' to be used against them.  

It shows how dishonest the OUTRAGE! was when Secretary of State John Kerry correctly said this "If the choice is one state, Israel can either be Jewish or democratic, it cannot be both"

It was such only such an "OUTRAGEOUS!" thing for Kerry to say that Netanyahu, Likud and their coalition partners have essentially voted here for Israel to start going down the road to no longer be a democracy.
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« Reply #24 on: July 19, 2018, 10:00:36 PM »

The left only cares about minorities these days. No wonder they can't get majorities to vote for them anymore.
“First they came after the trade unionists...”
At a point they will come after you, or something will bite your hand, don’t expect people to take it swimmingly. Excuse us for caring about justice and fairness for a better life.

Using "first they came" to criticize a hated Jewish state. How ironic.
Both ironic and valid.
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