Remember when Obama... (personal lawyer edition)

[Panda Express]

Remember when Obama had a sleazy longtime "personal lawyer" or "fixer" who was in charge of "fixing" all sorts of illicit dealings including arranging hush-money payments to porn-stars who were raw-dogged by his client? And had ties to the Russian mob? And was raided by the FBI for crimes including, but not limited to, bank fraud, wire fraud, embezzlement and campaign finance violations? And the only other clients this "lawyer" had were the finance chair of the DNC who this fixer arranged to have an abortion with a Playboy Playmate and the highest rated TV personality on MSNBC?

[Illiniwek]

[IceSpear]

At least now we have a president who doesn't have the middle name Hussein.

[Progressive Pessimist]

At least now we have a president who doesn't have the middle name Hussein.

Or wear a tan suit! That fashion faux pas was inexcusable! I much prefer excessively long red ties.

[DavidB.]

I don't give a sh**t as long as Trump's policies are better than Obama's.

[Progressive Pessimist]

I don't give a sh**t as long as Trump's policies are better than Obama's.

But they objectively aren't.

[DavidB.]

I don't give a sh**t as long as Trump's policies are better than Obama's.

But they objectively aren't.

That's inherently subjective. I think they are, but not "objectively".

[QAnonKelly]

At least now we have a president who doesn't have the middle name Hussein.

Or wear a tan suit! That fashion faux pas was inexcusable! I much prefer excessively long red ties.

Who can forget eating gay mustard?

[Doimper]

I don't give a sh**t as long as Trump's policies are better than Obama's.

But they objectively aren't.

That's inherently subjective. I think they are, but not "objectively".

Yeah, that policy of behaving like a dying fish in front of Vladimir Putin was really fantastic. The best.

[Kodak]

I don't give a sh**t as long as Trump's policies are better than Obama's.

But they objectively aren't.

That's inherently subjective. I think they are, but not "objectively".

Trump's tariffs are objectively worse for the long-term health of the economy than any of Obama's economic policies.

Trump's environmental policies are turning public land and our coastlines over to oil and mining companies to create eyesores and pollute the ground. That's objectively worse than what Obama did, unless you don't want future generations to enjoy nature.

Trump's hiring freeze thinned out the forestry service and now there aren't enough firefighters out west to deal with forest fires. That's objectively worse than Obama's policy of leaving a good thing alone unless you like huge forest fires.

Trump's regulatory reforms, among other things, have led to the repeal of several sensible regulations, such as those on who can legally drive a train. This is objectively a bad idea, even if you hate trains.

Trump's attempt to denuclearize North Korea objectively went worse than Obama's attempt to prevent the nuclearization of Iran. Obama objectively was more popular with US allies and better at striking deals with them than Trump has been (although Trump did succeed in getting other NATO members to raise their defense spending).

Trump's stance on torture is objectively worse than Obama's if you support the eight amendment.

Trump has not repealed many Obama-era gun regulations and has voiced contradictory support for expanding and repealing gun control laws, so he's objectively as bad as Obama on guns.

Trump's immigration policies are objectively better than Obama's if you believe in human privileges instead of human rights.

Regarding NASA and the military, Trump has done a better job of handling both than Obama, but there are some subjectively bad things Trump has done for both.

The tax cuts were objectively good for economic growth but fiscally irresponsible and unlikely to cover their own deficits, so at best they're a wash.

I really don't see much objective good Trump's policies have done for Americans or humanity.

[Alabama_Indy10]

I don't give a sh**t as long as Trump's policies are better than Obama's.

[Virginiá]

I don't give a sh**t as long as Trump's policies are better than Obama's.

Is this what America has come to? Character, morals and countless other personal attributes no longer carry any weight in the selection of who will lead this country? We're talking about a guy who is surrounded by criminals of his own choosing. The Republican Party never seemed to care so little about this stuff until Trump came along, and the only way to defend him was to say it was all about policy. Republicans were literally the self-proclaimed "family values" party until The Donald won the presidency.

I don't think I buy this. Morals and values are bound to make a stunningly hypocritical comeback as soon as the next Democratic president is elected and conservatives are free from having to defend DJT's grossly twisted actions on a daily basis.

[IceSpear]

I don't give a sh**t as long as Trump's policies are better than Obama's.

Is this what America has come to? Character, morals and countless other personal attributes no longer carry any weight in the selection of who will lead this country? We're talking about a guy who is surrounded by criminals of his own choosing. The Republican Party never seemed to care so little about this stuff until Trump came along, and the only way to defend him was to say it was all about policy. Republicans were literally the self-proclaimed "family values" party until The Donald won the presidency.

I don't think I buy this. Morals and values are bound to make a stunningly hypocritical comeback as soon as the next Democratic president is elected and conservatives are free from having to defend DJT's grossly twisted actions on a daily basis.

It'll come back around the same time they start caring about the deficit again. And of course the media will treat it as principled good faith concern.

[President Johnson]

But in Trump's lawayer's office, the FBI broke in. Big difference.

[UncleSam]

I don't give a sh**t as long as Trump's policies are better than Obama's.

Is this what America has come to? Character, morals and countless other personal attributes no longer carry any weight in the selection of who will lead this country? We're talking about a guy who is surrounded by criminals of his own choosing. The Republican Party never seemed to care so little about this stuff until Trump came along, and the only way to defend him was to say it was all about policy. Republicans were literally the self-proclaimed "family values" party until The Donald won the presidency.

I don't think I buy this. Morals and values are bound to make a stunningly hypocritical comeback as soon as the next Democratic president is elected and conservatives are free from having to defend DJT's grossly twisted actions on a daily basis.

Really? As if you wouldn’t take Menendez as president over Rand Paul. People want a president who has a vision for the country that works best for themselves, they don’t need a role model. Character is meaningless for a president, all that matters is the quality of work.

There are good reasons to think Trump has enacted bad policies for the country. There are good reasons to think he has achieved some significant triumphs that no one will give him credit for. What everyone can (or should) agree on is that he’s a bad person. Democrats like to shout how bad he is because they hate his policies, but ultimately they really just hate his policies - they don’t care about integrity or any of this other BS. The truth is no one does. People hide behind empty platitudes as an excuse to vote for their best interest even when others try and guilt them to do otherwise. This is done by both sides and is basically how the game is played.

[Koharu]

I would most certainly vote for a Republican of equivalent moral standing to Obama over a Democratic equivalent to Trump, especially if the Democratic Trump had emoluments issues similar to Trump's.

Don't ever assume you know someone's motives better than they do. I hate Trump's policies and his morality, and because of his money ties, I could never have voted for him even if he perfectly aligned with my policy desires. I am disgusted by my family members who 'held their noses' to vote for Trump just because of the supreme court.

[Virginiá]

Really? As if you wouldn’t take Menendez as president over Rand Paul. People want a president who has a vision for the country that works best for themselves, they don’t need a role model. Character is meaningless for a president, all that matters is the quality of work.

There are good reasons to think Trump has enacted bad policies for the country. There are good reasons to think he has achieved some significant triumphs that no one will give him credit for. What everyone can (or should) agree on is that he’s a bad person. Democrats like to shout how bad he is because they hate his policies, but ultimately they really just hate his policies - they don’t care about integrity or any of this other BS. The truth is no one does. People hide behind empty platitudes as an excuse to vote for their best interest even when others try and guilt them to do otherwise. This is done by both sides and is basically how the game is played.

I'd give anything for the Republican-version of Bob Menendez to be president right now. The fact that you used him as an example makes me wonder if you understood the main point of my post. Trump and him do not even remotely compare, even if Menendez engaged in kickbacks and favors in violation of the law (or not, thanks to scotus?).

Just a short list of things Trump has done, off the top of my head:

• Made fun of a disabled reporter on stage at a rally
• Denigrated a war hero for "getting captured"
• Attacked a gold star family
• Boasted about sexually assaulting women and then accused by over a dozen women for sexual assault
• Attacked a federal judge and said being Mexican makes him unable to be impartial
• Refused to pay child dancers who danced at some of his rallies (USA Freedom Kids)
• Ran a scam "college" that bilked people out of their life savings

And the list just goes on and on like that. He's such a f'ing terrible person that it would take over half a day and a fair amount of research to fully account for his disgusting behavior.

So much for POTUS being a role model and someone people should strive to be. As long as he delivers results on some policies I like, he can grope and bully anyone he wants!

[Obama-Biden Democrat]

Bill Ayers!!! Terrorist Fist Jab!! Whitey Tape!! #WARONWHITES

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I would most certainly vote for a Republican of equivalent moral standing to Obama over a Democratic equivalent to Trump, especially if the Democratic Trump had emoluments issues similar to Trump's.

Don't ever assume you know someone's motives better than they do. I hate Trump's policies and his morality, and because of his money ties, I could never have voted for him even if he perfectly aligned with my policy desires. I am disgusted by my family members who 'held their noses' to vote for Trump just because of the supreme court.