Atlasian Coalition Of Labor Occupations (A.C.L.O) Headquarters

[Esteemed Jimmy]

National Strike Referendum

MARK ONE OF THE FOLLOWING.
[  ] Aye
[ x ] [Nay]
[  ] [Abstain]

I agree with all the points raised, but view a strike as detrimental to workers and everyone else at this point of time. More needs to be done in Congress to mitigate the effects of the virus on workers and to make sure they are not left without any income.

[Elcaspar]

The vote was supposed to end yesterday, but i will allow the extra 24 hours that would be needed for me and Jimmy to vote. Not that it will matter much since the vote is tied either way.
I vote Aye.

Referendum is tied 5-5, 4-4 if you don't count me and Jimmy. Not sure what happens if this is the case.

[PSOL]

There is no precedent, codified or otherwise, in the bylaws agreed upon in the 2nd National Assembly. The decision is clearly in the hands of the chairs of this organization, of which Elcaspar and bagel23 are interim for-chairs.

[S019]

Seeing as there's strong division here, and we need a tiebreaker anyways, I'll change my vote to "No," when I first voted for this, I thought that there was a good case for it, but now I think it's a bad idea to hold a strike in a crisis, so I don't think that this is a good idea.

[PSOL]

Seeing as there's strong division here, and we need a tiebreaker anyways, I'll change my vote to "No," when I first voted for this, I thought that there was a good case for it, but now I think it's a bad idea to hold a strike in a crisis, so I don't think that this is a good idea.

Kind of too late and outside of your hands. It’s all within Bagel23’s hands.

Edit: There sure is a crisis of underpaid workers being threatened with deportation, thus scaring them from getting tested. There’s a crisis of medical workers on the frontlines of a war, but compensated diddly squat and without proper PPE. There’s definitely a crisis of people unfairly terminated to preserve profits instead of for the common good. Those are all part of the real crisis this pandemic has brought. If the Labor party Apparatchik, Jimmy Von Strasser, and West “Kerensky” Midlander disagree, then so be it, but we operate under an organized yet decentralized, democratic principle for the Atlasian worker.

[Former President tack50]

. If the Labor party Apparatchik, Jimmy Von Strasser, and West “Kerensky” Midlander disagree, then so be it, but we operate under an organized yet decentralized, democratic principle for the Atlasian worker.

So Labor Party is Nazbol gang confirmed?

[PSOL]

I know we did not give out endorsements, but it would be foolish to not vote for one of our interim co chairs and Thumb21, who have worked hard to fight for the working class during this crisis. It would also be foolish to not vote MB and straight ticket Labor in the South, considering the catastrophe the WM Governorship has been.

[West_Midlander]

It’s all within Bagel23’s hands

PSOL: You said it best, when you said leave it to the co-chair(s).

You stepped down from the leadership of this organization. I think we should let the current leadership decide on what course to take with the strike, whether or not to count S019's changed vote and whether or not to endorse since an endorsement vote was not held. I would hope the leadership of the ACLO will simply not endorse since the members did not have a chance to vote on endorsements, but it is up to the co-chairs.

I don't think endorsement is an open-and-shut case, however. I received the ACLO endorsement last time and wrote and voted for the LABORER Act which outlawed RTW in the South. That Act, of course, passed the Chamber and was taken up under Governer Leinad's administration.

I don't know what catastrophe you're talking about: I've signed three coronavirus-related executive orders and a number of others regarding other issues. This administration has also signed more bills than the previous one.

[fhtagn]

I know we did not give out endorsements, but it would be foolish to not vote for one of our interim co chairs and Thumb21, who have worked hard to fight for the working class during this crisis. It would also be foolish to not vote MB and straight ticket Labor in the South, considering the catastrophe the WM Governorship has been.

Cite examples or GTFO

[PSOL]

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Ok Kerensky

I know we did not give out endorsements, but it would be foolish to not vote for one of our interim co chairs and Thumb21, who have worked hard to fight for the working class during this crisis. It would also be foolish to not vote MB and straight ticket Labor in the South, considering the catastrophe the WM Gover

Cite examples or GTFO

My entire monologue in my office for one.

[fhtagn]

I have nothing, I'm just being a normal Labor shill with no facts to back it.

Ok, thanks for clarifying.

[Former President tack50]

I have nothing, I'm just being a normal Labor shill with no facts to back it.

Ok, thanks for clarifying.

For the record PSOL is a registered independent and the ACLO is a non-partisan organization

[PSOL]

I have nothing, I'm just being a normal Labor shill with no facts to back it.

Ok, thanks for clarifying.

Why so triggered? What could I have done to cause such fumigation?!

[fhtagn]

I have nothing, I'm just being a normal Labor shill with no facts to back it.

Ok, thanks for clarifying.

Why so triggered? What could I have done to cause such fumigation—oh tell me VVitch of Virginia?!

If your statements had any credibility, you wouldnt be urging anyone to pref TimTurner or Prag because they were the cause of inactivity in the Southern Chamber. The fact that you lack a spine to call them our specifically and choose to push for endorsing the Labor slate proves you don't actually care, you just want a Labor win, even if that means electing people who have proven over multiple sessions they won't do the work.

If West_Midlander hadn't changed parties, you would not have said anything against him. You know this. I know this. Everyone knows this.

Try being honest for once in your Atlasian career.

[fhtagn]

I have nothing, I'm just being a normal Labor shill with no facts to back it.

Ok, thanks for clarifying.

For the record PSOL is a registered independent and the ACLO is a non-partisan organization

ACLO has proven time and time again it is completely partisan, no matter how much y'all pretend you aren't. PSOL's registration in Atlasia is irrelevant when he's made clear he will bend over and take it from Labor bosses if they demanded so.

[Pericles]

Is it really a surprise that a workers organisation would usually side with the Labor Party, when the Labor Party usually sides with the interests of the workers?

[fhtagn]

Is it really a surprise that a workers organisation would usually side with the Labor Party, when the Labor Party usually sides with the interests of the workers?

When a worker's organization is filled with people who have never experienced being poor and never worked in the real world is clearly shilling for a party filled with the same sort of people, sure it's not surprising. Just don't pretend it's because you are siding with the interests of workers.

[PSOL]

I can't handle being rightfully called out.

I'm perfectly fine. However, you seem to be the one that needs the help:

I’m feeling better, thanks for the concern. How about you though? It seems my pale of water is having an opposite effect, VVitch, your collapsing in on yourself. Your liquified remains are just melting on the floor, exposing that your body is filled with nothing but hate and spite. I do hope for the best though

[PSOL]

Is it really a surprise that a workers organisation would usually side with the Labor Party, when the Labor Party usually sides with the interests of the workers?

The Labor party response has been lukewarm to the working class of Atlasia. Other then sloshing money around, there has been little work on wages and employment concerns until the vote to strike occurred. Furthermore, undocumented workers and those without a fixed location of legal residence have not had their concerns addressed.

[fhtagn]

Is it really a surprise that a workers organisation would usually side with the Labor Party, when the Labor Party usually sides with the interests of the workers?

The Labor party response has been lukewarm to the working class of Atlasia. Other then sloshing money around, there has been little work on wages and employment concerns until the vote to strike occurred. Furthermore, undocumented workers and those without a fixed location of legal residence have not had their concerns addressed.

Undocumented workers don't deserve to have their concerns addressed. They have no right to be here.

If they want their concerns addressed, it's better they go back home and fix things there.

[S019]

Is it really a surprise that a workers organisation would usually side with the Labor Party, when the Labor Party usually sides with the interests of the workers?

The Labor party response has been lukewarm to the working class of Atlasia. Other then sloshing money around, there has been little work on wages and employment concerns until the vote to strike occurred. Furthermore, undocumented workers and those without a fixed location of legal residence have not had their concerns addressed.

Undocumented workers don't deserve to have their concerns addressed. They have no right to be here.

If they want their concerns addressed, it's better they go back home and fix things there.

It's kind of inhumane to suggest that we shouldn't help undocumented workers. Also many of them have fled terrible conditions and if they go back their lives would be in grave danger. Why should we send millions of people back into perilous conditions? Instead, let them pay back taxes and give them a path to legalization, that's a sensible, moderate approach. We can't deport people who've been here for years, it's just not right.

[fhtagn]

Is it really a surprise that a workers organisation would usually side with the Labor Party, when the Labor Party usually sides with the interests of the workers?

The Labor party response has been lukewarm to the working class of Atlasia. Other then sloshing money around, there has been little work on wages and employment concerns until the vote to strike occurred. Furthermore, undocumented workers and those without a fixed location of legal residence have not had their concerns addressed.

Undocumented workers don't deserve to have their concerns addressed. They have no right to be here.

If they want their concerns addressed, it's better they go back home and fix things there.

It's kind of inhumane to suggest that we shouldn't help undocumented workers. Also many of them have fled terrible conditions and if they go back their lives would be in grave danger. Why should we send millions of people back into perilous conditions? Instead, let them pay back taxes and give them a path to legalization, that's a sensible, moderate approach. We can't deport people who've been here for years, it's just not right.

Our immigration laws exist for a reason. They chose to break it. They deserve to find out their actions have consequences. 

[S019]

Is it really a surprise that a workers organisation would usually side with the Labor Party, when the Labor Party usually sides with the interests of the workers?

The Labor party response has been lukewarm to the working class of Atlasia. Other then sloshing money around, there has been little work on wages and employment concerns until the vote to strike occurred. Furthermore, undocumented workers and those without a fixed location of legal residence have not had their concerns addressed.

Undocumented workers don't deserve to have their concerns addressed. They have no right to be here.

If they want their concerns addressed, it's better they go back home and fix things there.

It's kind of inhumane to suggest that we shouldn't help undocumented workers. Also many of them have fled terrible conditions and if they go back their lives would be in grave danger. Why should we send millions of people back into perilous conditions? Instead, let them pay back taxes and give them a path to legalization, that's a sensible, moderate approach. We can't deport people who've been here for years, it's just not right.

Our immigration laws exist for a reason. They chose to break it. They deserve to find out their actions have consequences. 

Liberalization of immigration laws is something that most people agree that we need. Even a good chunk of conservatives agree that we need liberalized immigration law, but anyways, this is way off topic, and has no relation to the work of this union or labor unions, in general.

[fhtagn]

Is it really a surprise that a workers organisation would usually side with the Labor Party, when the Labor Party usually sides with the interests of the workers?

The Labor party response has been lukewarm to the working class of Atlasia. Other then sloshing money around, there has been little work on wages and employment concerns until the vote to strike occurred. Furthermore, undocumented workers and those without a fixed location of legal residence have not had their concerns addressed.

Undocumented workers don't deserve to have their concerns addressed. They have no right to be here.

If they want their concerns addressed, it's better they go back home and fix things there.

It's kind of inhumane to suggest that we shouldn't help undocumented workers. Also many of them have fled terrible conditions and if they go back their lives would be in grave danger. Why should we send millions of people back into perilous conditions? Instead, let them pay back taxes and give them a path to legalization, that's a sensible, moderate approach. We can't deport people who've been here for years, it's just not right.

Our immigration laws exist for a reason. They chose to break it. They deserve to find out their actions have consequences. 

Liberalization of immigration laws is something that most people agree that we need. Even a good chunk of conservatives agree that we need liberalized immigration law, but anyways, this is way off topic, and has no relation to the work of this union or labor unions, in general.

If the organization truly cares about workers, they wouldn't be defending undocumented immigrants.

[PSOL]

For an irrelevant organization, the Atlasian Coalition of Labour Occupations sure seems to attract the ire of major ACP member fhtagn. The drive in her is unparalleled against us, perhaps even reminiscent of the feud with Pericles before his ascension to the Presidency.