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« on: August 03, 2018, 12:39:42 AM »

https://heavy.com/news/2018/08/trump-crazy-bernie-sanders-dude-video/

About halfway into the video linked in this tweet, he starts in on Sanders:



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Usually, incumbent presidents don't get that vocal about specific GE opponents until we get close to having a presumptive nominee, but I'm expecting that Trump will be talking about all the 2020 Dems non-stop for the next couple of years.  Maybe even Delaney will get a turn.  Tongue
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« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2018, 02:13:02 AM »

LOL, the orange clown would lose against Bernie. He's far from being my first choice, but a debate between these two would be so much fun.
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« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2018, 09:47:29 AM »

Nero, Caligula, and Commodus entertained Roman audiences well. They are now despised through the ages.

Want entertainment? You do not need it in politics.
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« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2018, 10:16:01 AM »

Trump has no room to call anyone crazy and should refrain from doing it. His Twitter feed demonstrates why he shouldn't do that.
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« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2018, 10:22:24 AM »

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This is his 2020 Campaign messaging right here, regardless of the Democratic nominee.
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« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2018, 10:30:23 AM »

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This is his 2020 Campaign messaging right here, regardless of the Democratic nominee.

Yep. It’s going to be a campaign grounded in the ever looming threat of unleashed crime, borders thrown open, taxes being raised to punish the “hard working Americans,” and that it’s the last chance to save “real America” from all the “hordes seeking to defile it.” It’s going to be just great...
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« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2018, 10:48:47 AM »

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This is his 2020 Campaign messaging right here, regardless of the Democratic nominee.

What I would like to know is, why isn't Trump being asked what exactly, his administration has done, to get African Americans, Hispanics, and Asian American unemployment so low? I want to know what exactly, and how. I want this pressed on them. Hopefully, Democrats will press him on it come our elections.

I know they'll lie anyway, but I want to hear their answers, so we can clearly poke holes through all their alternative facts.
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« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2018, 12:40:34 PM »

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This is his 2020 Campaign messaging right here, regardless of the Democratic nominee.

Thankfully...national enviorment, approval ratings, and fubdamentals determine elections and none of that retarded tripe he spews out
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« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2018, 02:02:06 PM »

Trump's starting to sound like establishment Dems, awkward...
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« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2018, 07:28:32 PM »
« Edited: August 05, 2018, 04:47:30 PM by Progressive Pessimist »

I'm not the biggest Sanders fan, and I don't think he would be a lock to defeat Trump; but if this is all Trump has to go after him with, he may very well be tempting fate for himself to lose.
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« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2018, 09:22:22 PM »

Trump's starting to sound like establishment Dems, awkward...
Well you become more establishment once you're in office.
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« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2018, 09:28:33 PM »

LOL, the orange clown would lose against Bernie. He's far from being my first choice, but a debate between these two would be so much fun.

“Orange clown”? Comedic genius. Everyone is laughing.

> makes fun of someone for unoriginal nickname

> worships politician whose most redeeming quality is his barely-humorous alliterative nicknames for his opponents
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« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2018, 10:00:57 PM »

If this is all he has, he is sooooo screwed.
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« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2018, 07:34:38 AM »

If this is all he has, he is sooooo screwed.

Of course it's not all he has.  He has the Presidency and the advantages of incumbency that come with it.  

DONALD TRUMP IS THE PRESIDENT!

How does that grab you?  That's an illustration of the advantages of incumbency Trump will have in 2020.  People will look at him as The President, and, at a minimum, will conclude that the guy with the job knows more about doing the job than the folks running for the job.

Even Donald Trump has not lost these advantages.  This is something to think about for those who intend to come after Trump with mere insults and aggrieved coalitions of minorities.  Trump's enemies never seem to figure out how Trump can break every rule of conventional politics and still win.  The smugness of his enemies, the sureness they have that this time it will be different; this time, people will listen to THEM, reminds me of all those Democrats who thought that they FINALLY had Tricky Dick Nixon where they wanted him.
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« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2018, 01:42:08 PM »

If this is all he has, he is sooooo screwed.

Of course it's not all he has.  He has the Presidency and the advantages of incumbency that come with it.  

DONALD TRUMP IS THE PRESIDENT!

How does that grab you?  That's an illustration of the advantages of incumbency Trump will have in 2020.  People will look at him as The President, and, at a minimum, will conclude that the guy with the job knows more about doing the job than the folks running for the job.

Even Donald Trump has not lost these advantages.  This is something to think about for those who intend to come after Trump with mere insults and aggrieved coalitions of minorities.  Trump's enemies never seem to figure out how Trump can break every rule of conventional politics and still win.  The smugness of his enemies, the sureness they have that this time it will be different; this time, people will listen to THEM, reminds me of all those Democrats who thought that they FINALLY had Tricky Dick Nixon where they wanted him.

Uh huh, that not how incumbency works. Its not just a magic term that gives candidates the ability to pull a win out of nowhere. Its a double edged sword.

A president with lukewarm or positive approvals, such as Reagan 1984, FDR every single time, or Clinton 1996 will have an advantage of incumbency, as voters like what the president has done and will vote him in again. But if the president has lackluster approvals or is unpopular, such as Hoover or Carter, then the incumbency bites back at them, as voters know he sucks, and wont give him the benefit of the doubt that is given to non-incumbent candidates.

To use 2018 examples, Charlie Baker has incumbency working for him, as voters have gotten to know how good he is, while Scott Walker has the opposite effect, as voters know that he sucks.

Also, this weird idea that Trump is unbeatable and no one can stop him is a poison that could ruin his chances in 2020, as its the same ideas that Democrats were trapped in during 2016. Sure, he won, but it was not grand or spectacular, it was not a Reagan upset, it was a small victory, one that will be almost impossible to replicate.

As I said before, if this is all Trump can muster, he is screwed, because incumbency is working against him, and the coalition he founded in 2016 is quickly dissolving.
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« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2018, 08:22:17 PM »
« Edited: August 05, 2018, 08:26:03 PM by Fuzzy Bear »

If this is all he has, he is sooooo screwed.

Of course it's not all he has.  He has the Presidency and the advantages of incumbency that come with it.  

DONALD TRUMP IS THE PRESIDENT!

How does that grab you?  That's an illustration of the advantages of incumbency Trump will have in 2020.  People will look at him as The President, and, at a minimum, will conclude that the guy with the job knows more about doing the job than the folks running for the job.

Even Donald Trump has not lost these advantages.  This is something to think about for those who intend to come after Trump with mere insults and aggrieved coalitions of minorities.  Trump's enemies never seem to figure out how Trump can break every rule of conventional politics and still win.  The smugness of his enemies, the sureness they have that this time it will be different; this time, people will listen to THEM, reminds me of all those Democrats who thought that they FINALLY had Tricky Dick Nixon where they wanted him.

Uh huh, that not how incumbency works. Its not just a magic term that gives candidates the ability to pull a win out of nowhere. Its a double edged sword.

A president with lukewarm or positive approvals, such as Reagan 1984, FDR every single time, or Clinton 1996 will have an advantage of incumbency, as voters like what the president has done and will vote him in again. But if the president has lackluster approvals or is unpopular, such as Hoover or Carter, then the incumbency bites back at them, as voters know he sucks, and wont give him the benefit of the doubt that is given to non-incumbent candidates.

To use 2018 examples, Charlie Baker has incumbency working for him, as voters have gotten to know how good he is, while Scott Walker has the opposite effect, as voters know that he sucks.

Also, this weird idea that Trump is unbeatable and no one can stop him is a poison that could ruin his chances in 2020, as its the same ideas that Democrats were trapped in during 2016. Sure, he won, but it was not grand or spectacular, it was not a Reagan upset, it was a small victory, one that will be almost impossible to replicate.

As I said before, if this is all Trump can muster, he is screwed, because incumbency is working against him, and the coalition he founded in 2016 is quickly dissolving.

It is, indeed, a double-edged, sword, but Trump has been able to consistently beat opponents at the polls despite his low approval ratings.  That's because he has the capacity to get voters to think even less of his opponents.

Trump understands politics better than Atlas Red Avatars.  He understands PEOPLE better than Atlas Red Avatars.  He could write a sequel to Machiavelli's The Prince and it would be successful.  The Democrats going against him will find this out soon enough.  Trump understands power and the use of incumbency and advantageous positioning more than his opponents do.  It's how he got elected in the first place, and it's his game plan for re-election.

The woods are full of Trump Deniers and Self-Deluded Red Atlas Avatars.  It's a myth that Trump knows nothing about politics.  The record shows that he understands politics in ways that few people do.
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« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2018, 08:39:20 PM »

If this is all he has, he is sooooo screwed.

Of course it's not all he has.  He has the Presidency and the advantages of incumbency that come with it.  

DONALD TRUMP IS THE PRESIDENT!

How does that grab you?  That's an illustration of the advantages of incumbency Trump will have in 2020.  People will look at him as The President, and, at a minimum, will conclude that the guy with the job knows more about doing the job than the folks running for the job.

Even Donald Trump has not lost these advantages.  This is something to think about for those who intend to come after Trump with mere insults and aggrieved coalitions of minorities.  Trump's enemies never seem to figure out how Trump can break every rule of conventional politics and still win.  The smugness of his enemies, the sureness they have that this time it will be different; this time, people will listen to THEM, reminds me of all those Democrats who thought that they FINALLY had Tricky Dick Nixon where they wanted him.

Uh huh, that not how incumbency works. Its not just a magic term that gives candidates the ability to pull a win out of nowhere. Its a double edged sword.

A president with lukewarm or positive approvals, such as Reagan 1984, FDR every single time, or Clinton 1996 will have an advantage of incumbency, as voters like what the president has done and will vote him in again. But if the president has lackluster approvals or is unpopular, such as Hoover or Carter, then the incumbency bites back at them, as voters know he sucks, and wont give him the benefit of the doubt that is given to non-incumbent candidates.

To use 2018 examples, Charlie Baker has incumbency working for him, as voters have gotten to know how good he is, while Scott Walker has the opposite effect, as voters know that he sucks.

Also, this weird idea that Trump is unbeatable and no one can stop him is a poison that could ruin his chances in 2020, as its the same ideas that Democrats were trapped in during 2016. Sure, he won, but it was not grand or spectacular, it was not a Reagan upset, it was a small victory, one that will be almost impossible to replicate.

As I said before, if this is all Trump can muster, he is screwed, because incumbency is working against him, and the coalition he founded in 2016 is quickly dissolving.

It is, indeed, a double-edged, sword, but Trump has been able to consistently beat opponents at the polls despite his low approval ratings.  That's because he has the capacity to get voters to think even less of his opponents.

Trump understands politics better than Atlas Red Avatars.  He understands PEOPLE better than Atlas Red Avatars.  He could write a sequel to Machiavelli's The Prince and it would be successful.  The Democrats going against him will find this out soon enough.  Trump understands power and the use of incumbency and advantageous positioning more than his opponents do.  It's how he got elected in the first place, and it's his game plan for re-election.

The woods are full of Trump Deniers and Self-Deluded Red Atlas Avatars.  It's a myth that Trump knows nothing about politics.  The record shows that he understands politics in ways that few people do.
He beat one opponent, and in the primaries, he was the leader for most of polling. This doesnt make him a god. If he was a Republican who won a HI house seat and then a senate seat, and then won the presidency, then your logic would apply, but this is not the case. And his win was largely luck, I would not say winning 3 states by less than 1% was the Trump strategy.
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« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2018, 08:46:19 PM »

If this is all he has, he is sooooo screwed.

Of course it's not all he has.  He has the Presidency and the advantages of incumbency that come with it.  

DONALD TRUMP IS THE PRESIDENT!

How does that grab you?  That's an illustration of the advantages of incumbency Trump will have in 2020.  People will look at him as The President, and, at a minimum, will conclude that the guy with the job knows more about doing the job than the folks running for the job.

Even Donald Trump has not lost these advantages.  This is something to think about for those who intend to come after Trump with mere insults and aggrieved coalitions of minorities.  Trump's enemies never seem to figure out how Trump can break every rule of conventional politics and still win.  The smugness of his enemies, the sureness they have that this time it will be different; this time, people will listen to THEM, reminds me of all those Democrats who thought that they FINALLY had Tricky Dick Nixon where they wanted him.

Uh huh, that not how incumbency works. Its not just a magic term that gives candidates the ability to pull a win out of nowhere. Its a double edged sword.

A president with lukewarm or positive approvals, such as Reagan 1984, FDR every single time, or Clinton 1996 will have an advantage of incumbency, as voters like what the president has done and will vote him in again. But if the president has lackluster approvals or is unpopular, such as Hoover or Carter, then the incumbency bites back at them, as voters know he sucks, and wont give him the benefit of the doubt that is given to non-incumbent candidates.

To use 2018 examples, Charlie Baker has incumbency working for him, as voters have gotten to know how good he is, while Scott Walker has the opposite effect, as voters know that he sucks.

Also, this weird idea that Trump is unbeatable and no one can stop him is a poison that could ruin his chances in 2020, as its the same ideas that Democrats were trapped in during 2016. Sure, he won, but it was not grand or spectacular, it was not a Reagan upset, it was a small victory, one that will be almost impossible to replicate.

As I said before, if this is all Trump can muster, he is screwed, because incumbency is working against him, and the coalition he founded in 2016 is quickly dissolving.

It is, indeed, a double-edged, sword, but Trump has been able to consistently beat opponents at the polls despite his low approval ratings.  That's because he has the capacity to get voters to think even less of his opponents.

Trump understands politics better than Atlas Red Avatars.  He understands PEOPLE better than Atlas Red Avatars.  He could write a sequel to Machiavelli's The Prince and it would be successful.  The Democrats going against him will find this out soon enough.  Trump understands power and the use of incumbency and advantageous positioning more than his opponents do.  It's how he got elected in the first place, and it's his game plan for re-election.

The woods are full of Trump Deniers and Self-Deluded Red Atlas Avatars.  It's a myth that Trump knows nothing about politics.  The record shows that he understands politics in ways that few people do.

lol...Trump doesnt understand diddly squat except how to pay for overpriced poontang. The winner of elections is largely determined by factors outside of a candidates control. If anything...all Trump got was the timing right. Thats it.
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« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2018, 08:47:47 PM »

Overconfidence is going to be the downfall of Trump. The fact that his supporters believe that he is a lock for re-election is a disadvantage. Then again, they are probably counting on getting help stuffing the ballot boxes or making Democratic votes disappear.
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« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2018, 08:55:39 PM »

If this is all he has, he is sooooo screwed.

Of course it's not all he has.  He has the Presidency and the advantages of incumbency that come with it.  

DONALD TRUMP IS THE PRESIDENT!

How does that grab you?  That's an illustration of the advantages of incumbency Trump will have in 2020.  People will look at him as The President, and, at a minimum, will conclude that the guy with the job knows more about doing the job than the folks running for the job.

Even Donald Trump has not lost these advantages.  This is something to think about for those who intend to come after Trump with mere insults and aggrieved coalitions of minorities.  Trump's enemies never seem to figure out how Trump can break every rule of conventional politics and still win.  The smugness of his enemies, the sureness they have that this time it will be different; this time, people will listen to THEM, reminds me of all those Democrats who thought that they FINALLY had Tricky Dick Nixon where they wanted him.

Uh huh, that not how incumbency works. Its not just a magic term that gives candidates the ability to pull a win out of nowhere. Its a double edged sword.

A president with lukewarm or positive approvals, such as Reagan 1984, FDR every single time, or Clinton 1996 will have an advantage of incumbency, as voters like what the president has done and will vote him in again. But if the president has lackluster approvals or is unpopular, such as Hoover or Carter, then the incumbency bites back at them, as voters know he sucks, and wont give him the benefit of the doubt that is given to non-incumbent candidates.

To use 2018 examples, Charlie Baker has incumbency working for him, as voters have gotten to know how good he is, while Scott Walker has the opposite effect, as voters know that he sucks.

Also, this weird idea that Trump is unbeatable and no one can stop him is a poison that could ruin his chances in 2020, as its the same ideas that Democrats were trapped in during 2016. Sure, he won, but it was not grand or spectacular, it was not a Reagan upset, it was a small victory, one that will be almost impossible to replicate.

As I said before, if this is all Trump can muster, he is screwed, because incumbency is working against him, and the coalition he founded in 2016 is quickly dissolving.

It is, indeed, a double-edged, sword, but Trump has been able to consistently beat opponents at the polls despite his low approval ratings.  That's because he has the capacity to get voters to think even less of his opponents.

Trump understands politics better than Atlas Red Avatars.  He understands PEOPLE better than Atlas Red Avatars.  He could write a sequel to Machiavelli's The Prince and it would be successful.  The Democrats going against him will find this out soon enough.  Trump understands power and the use of incumbency and advantageous positioning more than his opponents do.  It's how he got elected in the first place, and it's his game plan for re-election.

The woods are full of Trump Deniers and Self-Deluded Red Atlas Avatars.  It's a myth that Trump knows nothing about politics.  The record shows that he understands politics in ways that few people do.
He beat one opponent, and in the primaries, he was the leader for most of polling. This doesnt make him a god. If he was a Republican who won a HI house seat and then a senate seat, and then won the presidency, then your logic would apply, but this is not the case. And his win was largely luck, I would not say winning 3 states by less than 1% was the Trump strategy.

He's not a God.  He is, however, someone with a track record in elections every other politician in Washington would envy.

He's a guy that people scoffed at and laughed at.  He's a guy that people would not acknowledge to be the front-runner, even when poll after poll showed he was, and even after he began winning free and fair primary elections.   He's a guy that the pros complained about, whined about, but couldn't stop.  

That's not misrepresenting the track record.  If Democrats wish to win in 2020, Trump Derangement Syndrome needs to be cured, and fast.
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« Reply #20 on: August 05, 2018, 09:08:17 PM »

If this is all he has, he is sooooo screwed.

Of course it's not all he has.  He has the Presidency and the advantages of incumbency that come with it.  

DONALD TRUMP IS THE PRESIDENT!

How does that grab you?  That's an illustration of the advantages of incumbency Trump will have in 2020.  People will look at him as The President, and, at a minimum, will conclude that the guy with the job knows more about doing the job than the folks running for the job.

Even Donald Trump has not lost these advantages.  This is something to think about for those who intend to come after Trump with mere insults and aggrieved coalitions of minorities.  Trump's enemies never seem to figure out how Trump can break every rule of conventional politics and still win.  The smugness of his enemies, the sureness they have that this time it will be different; this time, people will listen to THEM, reminds me of all those Democrats who thought that they FINALLY had Tricky Dick Nixon where they wanted him.

Uh huh, that not how incumbency works. Its not just a magic term that gives candidates the ability to pull a win out of nowhere. Its a double edged sword.

A president with lukewarm or positive approvals, such as Reagan 1984, FDR every single time, or Clinton 1996 will have an advantage of incumbency, as voters like what the president has done and will vote him in again. But if the president has lackluster approvals or is unpopular, such as Hoover or Carter, then the incumbency bites back at them, as voters know he sucks, and wont give him the benefit of the doubt that is given to non-incumbent candidates.

To use 2018 examples, Charlie Baker has incumbency working for him, as voters have gotten to know how good he is, while Scott Walker has the opposite effect, as voters know that he sucks.

Also, this weird idea that Trump is unbeatable and no one can stop him is a poison that could ruin his chances in 2020, as its the same ideas that Democrats were trapped in during 2016. Sure, he won, but it was not grand or spectacular, it was not a Reagan upset, it was a small victory, one that will be almost impossible to replicate.

As I said before, if this is all Trump can muster, he is screwed, because incumbency is working against him, and the coalition he founded in 2016 is quickly dissolving.

It is, indeed, a double-edged, sword, but Trump has been able to consistently beat opponents at the polls despite his low approval ratings.  That's because he has the capacity to get voters to think even less of his opponents.

Trump understands politics better than Atlas Red Avatars.  He understands PEOPLE better than Atlas Red Avatars.  He could write a sequel to Machiavelli's The Prince and it would be successful.  The Democrats going against him will find this out soon enough.  Trump understands power and the use of incumbency and advantageous positioning more than his opponents do.  It's how he got elected in the first place, and it's his game plan for re-election.

The woods are full of Trump Deniers and Self-Deluded Red Atlas Avatars.  It's a myth that Trump knows nothing about politics.  The record shows that he understands politics in ways that few people do.
He beat one opponent, and in the primaries, he was the leader for most of polling. This doesnt make him a god. If he was a Republican who won a HI house seat and then a senate seat, and then won the presidency, then your logic would apply, but this is not the case. And his win was largely luck, I would not say winning 3 states by less than 1% was the Trump strategy.

He's not a God.  He is, however, someone with a track record in elections every other politician in Washington would envy.

He's a guy that people scoffed at and laughed at.  He's a guy that people would not acknowledge to be the front-runner, even when poll after poll showed he was, and even after he began winning free and fair primary elections.   He's a guy that the pros complained about, whined about, but couldn't stop.  

That's not misrepresenting the track record.  If Democrats wish to win in 2020, Trump Derangement Syndrome needs to be cured, and fast.

Just because Hillary Clinton was a below-average candidate doesn't make Donald Trump a Machiavellian electoral wizard.
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« Reply #21 on: August 05, 2018, 09:10:21 PM »

If this is all he has, he is sooooo screwed.

Of course it's not all he has.  He has the Presidency and the advantages of incumbency that come with it.  

DONALD TRUMP IS THE PRESIDENT!

How does that grab you?  That's an illustration of the advantages of incumbency Trump will have in 2020.  People will look at him as The President, and, at a minimum, will conclude that the guy with the job knows more about doing the job than the folks running for the job.

Even Donald Trump has not lost these advantages.  This is something to think about for those who intend to come after Trump with mere insults and aggrieved coalitions of minorities.  Trump's enemies never seem to figure out how Trump can break every rule of conventional politics and still win.  The smugness of his enemies, the sureness they have that this time it will be different; this time, people will listen to THEM, reminds me of all those Democrats who thought that they FINALLY had Tricky Dick Nixon where they wanted him.

Uh huh, that not how incumbency works. Its not just a magic term that gives candidates the ability to pull a win out of nowhere. Its a double edged sword.

A president with lukewarm or positive approvals, such as Reagan 1984, FDR every single time, or Clinton 1996 will have an advantage of incumbency, as voters like what the president has done and will vote him in again. But if the president has lackluster approvals or is unpopular, such as Hoover or Carter, then the incumbency bites back at them, as voters know he sucks, and wont give him the benefit of the doubt that is given to non-incumbent candidates.

To use 2018 examples, Charlie Baker has incumbency working for him, as voters have gotten to know how good he is, while Scott Walker has the opposite effect, as voters know that he sucks.

Also, this weird idea that Trump is unbeatable and no one can stop him is a poison that could ruin his chances in 2020, as its the same ideas that Democrats were trapped in during 2016. Sure, he won, but it was not grand or spectacular, it was not a Reagan upset, it was a small victory, one that will be almost impossible to replicate.

As I said before, if this is all Trump can muster, he is screwed, because incumbency is working against him, and the coalition he founded in 2016 is quickly dissolving.

It is, indeed, a double-edged, sword, but Trump has been able to consistently beat opponents at the polls despite his low approval ratings.  That's because he has the capacity to get voters to think even less of his opponents.

Trump understands politics better than Atlas Red Avatars.  He understands PEOPLE better than Atlas Red Avatars.  He could write a sequel to Machiavelli's The Prince and it would be successful.  The Democrats going against him will find this out soon enough.  Trump understands power and the use of incumbency and advantageous positioning more than his opponents do.  It's how he got elected in the first place, and it's his game plan for re-election.

The woods are full of Trump Deniers and Self-Deluded Red Atlas Avatars.  It's a myth that Trump knows nothing about politics.  The record shows that he understands politics in ways that few people do.
He beat one opponent, and in the primaries, he was the leader for most of polling. This doesnt make him a god. If he was a Republican who won a HI house seat and then a senate seat, and then won the presidency, then your logic would apply, but this is not the case. And his win was largely luck, I would not say winning 3 states by less than 1% was the Trump strategy.

He's not a God.  He is, however, someone with a track record in elections every other politician in Washington would envy.

He's a guy that people scoffed at and laughed at.  He's a guy that people would not acknowledge to be the front-runner, even when poll after poll showed he was, and even after he began winning free and fair primary elections.   He's a guy that the pros complained about, whined about, but couldn't stop.  

That's not misrepresenting the track record.  If Democrats wish to win in 2020, Trump Derangement Syndrome needs to be cured, and fast.

Just because Hillary Clinton was a below-average candidate doesn't make Donald Trump a Machiavellian electoral wizard.

This is a case of Trump Denial out of control.
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« Reply #22 on: August 05, 2018, 09:11:21 PM »

If this is all he has, he is sooooo screwed.

Of course it's not all he has.  He has the Presidency and the advantages of incumbency that come with it.  

DONALD TRUMP IS THE PRESIDENT!

How does that grab you?  That's an illustration of the advantages of incumbency Trump will have in 2020.  People will look at him as The President, and, at a minimum, will conclude that the guy with the job knows more about doing the job than the folks running for the job.

Even Donald Trump has not lost these advantages.  This is something to think about for those who intend to come after Trump with mere insults and aggrieved coalitions of minorities.  Trump's enemies never seem to figure out how Trump can break every rule of conventional politics and still win.  The smugness of his enemies, the sureness they have that this time it will be different; this time, people will listen to THEM, reminds me of all those Democrats who thought that they FINALLY had Tricky Dick Nixon where they wanted him.

Uh huh, that not how incumbency works. Its not just a magic term that gives candidates the ability to pull a win out of nowhere. Its a double edged sword.

A president with lukewarm or positive approvals, such as Reagan 1984, FDR every single time, or Clinton 1996 will have an advantage of incumbency, as voters like what the president has done and will vote him in again. But if the president has lackluster approvals or is unpopular, such as Hoover or Carter, then the incumbency bites back at them, as voters know he sucks, and wont give him the benefit of the doubt that is given to non-incumbent candidates.

To use 2018 examples, Charlie Baker has incumbency working for him, as voters have gotten to know how good he is, while Scott Walker has the opposite effect, as voters know that he sucks.

Also, this weird idea that Trump is unbeatable and no one can stop him is a poison that could ruin his chances in 2020, as its the same ideas that Democrats were trapped in during 2016. Sure, he won, but it was not grand or spectacular, it was not a Reagan upset, it was a small victory, one that will be almost impossible to replicate.

As I said before, if this is all Trump can muster, he is screwed, because incumbency is working against him, and the coalition he founded in 2016 is quickly dissolving.

It is, indeed, a double-edged, sword, but Trump has been able to consistently beat opponents at the polls despite his low approval ratings.  That's because he has the capacity to get voters to think even less of his opponents.

Trump understands politics better than Atlas Red Avatars.  He understands PEOPLE better than Atlas Red Avatars.  He could write a sequel to Machiavelli's The Prince and it would be successful.  The Democrats going against him will find this out soon enough.  Trump understands power and the use of incumbency and advantageous positioning more than his opponents do.  It's how he got elected in the first place, and it's his game plan for re-election.

The woods are full of Trump Deniers and Self-Deluded Red Atlas Avatars.  It's a myth that Trump knows nothing about politics.  The record shows that he understands politics in ways that few people do.
He beat one opponent, and in the primaries, he was the leader for most of polling. This doesnt make him a god. If he was a Republican who won a HI house seat and then a senate seat, and then won the presidency, then your logic would apply, but this is not the case. And his win was largely luck, I would not say winning 3 states by less than 1% was the Trump strategy.

He's not a God.  He is, however, someone with a track record in elections every other politician in Washington would envy.

He's a guy that people scoffed at and laughed at.  He's a guy that people would not acknowledge to be the front-runner, even when poll after poll showed he was, and even after he began winning free and fair primary elections.   He's a guy that the pros complained about, whined about, but couldn't stop.  

That's not misrepresenting the track record.  If Democrats wish to win in 2020, Trump Derangement Syndrome needs to be cured, and fast.
his track record is a failed run at the presidency under the reform party, and a victory in the presidency with a technicality. Thats not something anyone would envy. Politicians envy Nixon and Reagan's record, LBJ and FDR, not Trump.

Anyway, most of what you are saying is less actual facts and correlation. Instead, its mostly your perspective on how Trump won. He won the R primary due to a divided field and a loyal base, thats what actually happened. If it were Trump vs, i dunno, Marco Rubio, as an example, Trump would lose. Thats what happened with Bernie, throw in Joe Biden in 2016, and Bernie may have won the Dem primary.

And, again, he won by a technicality. Everyone who didnt believe he was going to win were going off PV, and yes, he lost the PV. It was the EC, something no pundit calculated for, was how Trump won. And it was really a perfect storm that allowed him to win. A terrible D candidate, a distaste for Dems after 8 Obama years, a good, but lacking economy, all of these helped him win. In fact, i would argue that if it weren't Trump, the R would have won by more. But thats a debate for another day.
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« Reply #23 on: August 05, 2018, 09:11:42 PM »

If this is all he has, he is sooooo screwed.

Of course it's not all he has.  He has the Presidency and the advantages of incumbency that come with it.  

DONALD TRUMP IS THE PRESIDENT!

How does that grab you?  That's an illustration of the advantages of incumbency Trump will have in 2020.  People will look at him as The President, and, at a minimum, will conclude that the guy with the job knows more about doing the job than the folks running for the job.

Even Donald Trump has not lost these advantages.  This is something to think about for those who intend to come after Trump with mere insults and aggrieved coalitions of minorities.  Trump's enemies never seem to figure out how Trump can break every rule of conventional politics and still win.  The smugness of his enemies, the sureness they have that this time it will be different; this time, people will listen to THEM, reminds me of all those Democrats who thought that they FINALLY had Tricky Dick Nixon where they wanted him.

Uh huh, that not how incumbency works. Its not just a magic term that gives candidates the ability to pull a win out of nowhere. Its a double edged sword.

A president with lukewarm or positive approvals, such as Reagan 1984, FDR every single time, or Clinton 1996 will have an advantage of incumbency, as voters like what the president has done and will vote him in again. But if the president has lackluster approvals or is unpopular, such as Hoover or Carter, then the incumbency bites back at them, as voters know he sucks, and wont give him the benefit of the doubt that is given to non-incumbent candidates.

To use 2018 examples, Charlie Baker has incumbency working for him, as voters have gotten to know how good he is, while Scott Walker has the opposite effect, as voters know that he sucks.

Also, this weird idea that Trump is unbeatable and no one can stop him is a poison that could ruin his chances in 2020, as its the same ideas that Democrats were trapped in during 2016. Sure, he won, but it was not grand or spectacular, it was not a Reagan upset, it was a small victory, one that will be almost impossible to replicate.

As I said before, if this is all Trump can muster, he is screwed, because incumbency is working against him, and the coalition he founded in 2016 is quickly dissolving.

It is, indeed, a double-edged, sword, but Trump has been able to consistently beat opponents at the polls despite his low approval ratings.  That's because he has the capacity to get voters to think even less of his opponents.

Trump understands politics better than Atlas Red Avatars.  He understands PEOPLE better than Atlas Red Avatars.  He could write a sequel to Machiavelli's The Prince and it would be successful.  The Democrats going against him will find this out soon enough.  Trump understands power and the use of incumbency and advantageous positioning more than his opponents do.  It's how he got elected in the first place, and it's his game plan for re-election.

The woods are full of Trump Deniers and Self-Deluded Red Atlas Avatars.  It's a myth that Trump knows nothing about politics.  The record shows that he understands politics in ways that few people do.
He beat one opponent, and in the primaries, he was the leader for most of polling. This doesnt make him a god. If he was a Republican who won a HI house seat and then a senate seat, and then won the presidency, then your logic would apply, but this is not the case. And his win was largely luck, I would not say winning 3 states by less than 1% was the Trump strategy.

He's not a God.  He is, however, someone with a track record in elections every other politician in Washington would envy.

He's a guy that people scoffed at and laughed at.  He's a guy that people would not acknowledge to be the front-runner, even when poll after poll showed he was, and even after he began winning free and fair primary elections.   He's a guy that the pros complained about, whined about, but couldn't stop.  

That's not misrepresenting the track record.  If Democrats wish to win in 2020, Trump Derangement Syndrome needs to be cured, and fast.

Just because Hillary Clinton was a below-average candidate doesn't make Donald Trump a Machiavellian electoral wizard.

This is a case of Trump Denial out of control.
This is a case of Trump worship out of control.
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« Reply #24 on: August 05, 2018, 09:17:04 PM »

Overconfidence is going to be the downfall of Trump. The fact that his supporters believe that he is a lock for re-election is a disadvantage. Then again, they are probably counting on getting help stuffing the ballot boxes or making Democratic votes disappear.

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