Kasich: GOP under Trump doesn't resemble the Republican Party

[OSR stands with Israel]

That's right, the Republican Party is whatever Kasich says it is, even if 90% of Republicans voted for Trump.

Because he had the R next to his name on the ballot.

LOL, that makes it even worse.

Anyways, Trump is a manifestation of the Republican Party since 1968.

Nope


Republican Party was strongly for free trade
Republican Party was the party that were for H1B visas
Republican Party was the party that were for being against the Russians

Apparently their commitment to those "principles" was about an inch deep.

More Republicans voted for TPP than Democrats did

[OSR stands with Israel]

Sorry John, its time to leave, give it up.  The party went crazy and all the sane people have jumped ship. Join us 😊

Problem is the Dems are terrible to and are getting much worse .


If only the Blue Dogs were still there

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If only they'd go back to killing millions of Muslims in wars while running a Presidential campaign against gay marriage, they'd be John Kasich's type of Republicans.

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Sorry John, its time to leave, give it up.  The party went crazy and all the sane people have jumped ship. Join us 😊

Problem is the Dems are terrible to and are getting much worse .


If only the Blue Dogs were still there

Not true. Also, there's still a sizable amount of Blue Dogs in the Democratic Party.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Sorry John, its time to leave, give it up.  The party went crazy and all the sane people have jumped ship. Join us 😊

Problem is the Dems are terrible to and are getting much worse .


If only the Blue Dogs were still there

Not true. Also, there's still a sizable amount of Blue Dogs in the Democratic Party.

Moving in the direction of Socialism and SJW does not appeal to voters like me, in fact it does the opposite.


Also this is how many blue dogs are left: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Dog_Coalition

[Kingpoleon]

If only they'd go back to killing millions of Muslims in wars while running a Presidential campaign against gay marriage, they'd be John Kasich's type of Republicans.

WHO reports 151,000 dead in the Iraq War, including ~35,000 allied soldiers and ~45,000 of Hussein’s forces - more than one in two. The BMJ estimates 4,000,000 died in the Vietnam War. Less than one in four were believed to be military forces. Or maybe you meant something like the two civil wars in Libya Obama pushed?

[adamevans]

Kasich is a total fake and will do anything for votes. He is criminally overrated.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Kasich wasnt that fond of the Bush years either. He literally published a book with this title in 2006:




Also I think he at least did criticize the mishandling of the Iraq War

[Mr. Morden]

Oh, grow a pair and announce your primary challenge already!

Then run already.

This seems like a weird reaction, given that it's only 2018.  This isn't a parliamentary system, so Kasich can't force Trump out now, two years before the election.  Trump's term ends in more than two years whether Kasich announces now or six months from now.

[Mr. Morden]

That's right, the Republican Party is whatever Kasich says it is, even if 90% of Republicans voted for Trump.

Because he had the R next to his name on the ballot.

Exactly. That's literally all that matters to most Republican voters.

Right, but that's also why "He might as well be a Democrat" is temporary.  GOP voters will back whoever the party's standard bearer is, so Kasich's pariah status is only a function of the fact that Trump is now president.  But there's no guarantee that the next GOP nominee is going to be in the Trump mold.  If, in 2024, the party nominates someone like Marco Rubio, for example, then Kasich would be cool with that, and would no longer be saying that this isn't the Republican Party I know.

[IceSpear]

Oh, grow a pair and announce your primary challenge already!

Then run already.

This seems like a weird reaction, given that it's only 2018.  This isn't a parliamentary system, so Kasich can't force Trump out now, two years before the election.  Trump's term ends in more than two years whether Kasich announces now or six months from now.

Yeah, people here mock Delaney for announcing way too early, yet are now saying Kasich should?

[MT Treasurer]

I supported Kasich in the primary in 2016 (although I’m starting to regret that support), but at this point he’s really just embarrassing himself. Just because he probably still resembles today's GOP more than the average Atlas blue avatar doesn’t make his statement accurate.

[TheSaint250]

Oh, grow a pair and announce your primary challenge already!

Then run already.

This seems like a weird reaction, given that it's only 2018.  This isn't a parliamentary system, so Kasich can't force Trump out now, two years before the election.  Trump's term ends in more than two years whether Kasich announces now or six months from now.

It's just annoying to hear him go on and on about this but then just sit back and do nothing.

"Trump is not the GOP."
"So does that mean you're going to run for President, become a large figure who opposes Trump, and push voters in your direction?"
"I have no plans yet."

[RINO Tom]

Trump exemplifies the Republican Party better than anyone. It's why he steamrolled his way through the 2016 primaries. He is the perfect representation of the main tent-pole idea behind the Republican Party, probably since the Reagan years: "me first. Me only. F*** everyone else." The sooner Republicans like Kasich come to terms with this harsh truth, the sooner they can change their party for the better in a more meaningful way when Trump is finally out of the picture.

This literally makes no sense.  How would Kasich "coming to terms with" Trump exemplifying the GOP better than anyone help him, in any meaningful way, change his party "for the better"?  You can make fun of Kasich for being an opportunist or sounding holier than thou or just being kind of embarrassingly annoying, and you'd be right on every count; but people who act like Kasich is taking some CLEARLY dumb approach to his political goals are being hilariously unfair to him.  John Kasich is (to the extent that he's anything) a mainstream conservative politician who wants the GOP to adopt a more welcoming tone and disown open bigotry.  He doesn't hold liberal views (whatsoever), and he has no place in the Democratic Party, no matter how much Fuzzy Bear and Torie could have a glorious, cross-the-aisle high five about such a switch.  He is a former elected official who would gain next to nothing by becoming an independent.  His only avenue for elevating his politics is by remaining a Republican and trying to change his party.

If you want to think that pursuit is futile, maybe you're right.  However, people mock any Republican who speaks out against Trump's direction he wants to take the party in as "unrealistic" or "not knowing what the GOP *truly* is" or whatever other zinger that is thrown around to show how TRASHY the GOP is ... well, that's ridiculous.  Everything you red avatars claim about the GOP and its voters can be 101% true, and it still makes the most sense for right-of-center people who don't like the current GOP to stay in it.  Period.  This isn't some endorsement of John Kasich 2020 or even his views in general ... I'm just pointing out how simplistic some of you look at how to align yourself politically, specifically in states with partisan registration.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Sorry John, its time to leave, give it up.  The party went crazy and all the sane people have jumped ship. Join us 😊

Problem is the Dems are terrible to and are getting much worse .


If only the Blue Dogs were still there

People like you really need to make up your mind.

If the Democrats are THAT bad, THAT awful, then stop demonizing Trump.  He may be a yucky-yucky, but he believes  in the vast majority of what you believe in.

If they're not, join them.  Or be an independent like me.  I'm a registered Republican, but an independent voter, and I'm certainly not voting for Rick Scott for anything.

Trump did the hard work of actually offering Republicans a choice as to what it meant to be a Republican, and a number of protectionist Perot-voters and their families that had abandoned the party in 1992 (but voted GOP in downballot races) were still there, and now, they were being counted.  The biggest businessman in the race made his cause with them, and not with the Business Roundtable.  And he won.  That indicates to me that guys like Kasich really didn't have an idea as to who was exactly in their party.

[Mr. Morden]

Oh, grow a pair and announce your primary challenge already!

Then run already.

This seems like a weird reaction, given that it's only 2018.  This isn't a parliamentary system, so Kasich can't force Trump out now, two years before the election.  Trump's term ends in more than two years whether Kasich announces now or six months from now.

It's just annoying to hear him go on and on about this but then just sit back and do nothing.

"Trump is not the GOP."
"So does that mean you're going to run for President, become a large figure who opposes Trump, and push voters in your direction?"
"I have no plans yet."

Does the same logic apply to the Dems who're presumed to be prepping for 2020?  E.g., "Why doesn't Martin O'Malley just announce his candidacy already?"  Or does it only matter for the potential Republican candidates?

[NewYorkExpress]

Oh, grow a pair and announce your primary challenge already!

Then run already.

This seems like a weird reaction, given that it's only 2018.  This isn't a parliamentary system, so Kasich can't force Trump out now, two years before the election.  Trump's term ends in more than two years whether Kasich announces now or six months from now.

It's just annoying to hear him go on and on about this but then just sit back and do nothing.

"Trump is not the GOP."
"So does that mean you're going to run for President, become a large figure who opposes Trump, and push voters in your direction?"
"I have no plans yet."

Does the same logic apply to the Dems who're presumed to be prepping for 2020?  E.g., "Why doesn't Martin O'Malley just announce his candidacy already?"  Or does it only matter for the potential Republican candidates?

O'Malley and other Democrats aren't talking about primarying an incumbent.

[Mr. Morden]

Oh, grow a pair and announce your primary challenge already!

Then run already.

This seems like a weird reaction, given that it's only 2018.  This isn't a parliamentary system, so Kasich can't force Trump out now, two years before the election.  Trump's term ends in more than two years whether Kasich announces now or six months from now.

It's just annoying to hear him go on and on about this but then just sit back and do nothing.

"Trump is not the GOP."
"So does that mean you're going to run for President, become a large figure who opposes Trump, and push voters in your direction?"
"I have no plans yet."

Does the same logic apply to the Dems who're presumed to be prepping for 2020?  E.g., "Why doesn't Martin O'Malley just announce his candidacy already?"  Or does it only matter for the potential Republican candidates?

O'Malley and other Democrats aren't talking about primarying an incumbent.

I just don't understand why primarying an incumbent means that you have to announce two years in advance while running in an open race doesn't.  Where did this rule come from?

[NewYorkExpress]

Oh, grow a pair and announce your primary challenge already!

Then run already.

This seems like a weird reaction, given that it's only 2018.  This isn't a parliamentary system, so Kasich can't force Trump out now, two years before the election.  Trump's term ends in more than two years whether Kasich announces now or six months from now.

It's just annoying to hear him go on and on about this but then just sit back and do nothing.

"Trump is not the GOP."
"So does that mean you're going to run for President, become a large figure who opposes Trump, and push voters in your direction?"
"I have no plans yet."

Does the same logic apply to the Dems who're presumed to be prepping for 2020?  E.g., "Why doesn't Martin O'Malley just announce his candidacy already?"  Or does it only matter for the potential Republican candidates?

O'Malley and other Democrats aren't talking about primarying an incumbent.

I just don't understand why primarying an incumbent means that you have to announce two years in advance while running in an open race doesn't.  Where did this rule come from?

It's very unwritten and based on the need for a candidate primarying an incumbent President to get attention.

[Mr. Morden]

Oh, grow a pair and announce your primary challenge already!

Then run already.

This seems like a weird reaction, given that it's only 2018.  This isn't a parliamentary system, so Kasich can't force Trump out now, two years before the election.  Trump's term ends in more than two years whether Kasich announces now or six months from now.

It's just annoying to hear him go on and on about this but then just sit back and do nothing.

"Trump is not the GOP."
"So does that mean you're going to run for President, become a large figure who opposes Trump, and push voters in your direction?"
"I have no plans yet."

Does the same logic apply to the Dems who're presumed to be prepping for 2020?  E.g., "Why doesn't Martin O'Malley just announce his candidacy already?"  Or does it only matter for the potential Republican candidates?

O'Malley and other Democrats aren't talking about primarying an incumbent.

I just don't understand why primarying an incumbent means that you have to announce two years in advance while running in an open race doesn't.  Where did this rule come from?

It's very unwritten and based on the need for a candidate primarying an incumbent President to get attention.

I just think you're being ridiculous here (no offense  ).  Kasich will get tons of attention if he actually runs in the 2020 primary against Trump.  Any incumbent president getting a primary challenger capable of getting on the ballot in more than a handful of states is going to be a huge story.

[SingingAnalyst]

No state (to my knowledge) allows a voter to vote in the Primary election for more than one party, so I'll leave that aside.

In 2016, had I not voted for Sanders, I would have voted for Kasich in the GOP primary. In some ways, I wish I had. I was sorry to see him finish third in MI (a tad behind Cruz).

I hope Kasich runs in 2020 (and no, he shouldn't be pressured into declaring quickly). I may well vote in the GOP primary in 2020, if no Democrat particularly stands out as worthy of or needing my support; in which case if Kasich is on the ballot, he has my vote.

Kasich won't become a Democrat or Independent. Why should he? I would not be surprised if he runs an Independent campaign in 2020, though, which would affect all of our 2020 predictions here on Atlas.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Sorry John, its time to leave, give it up.  The party went crazy and all the sane people have jumped ship. Join us 😊

Problem is the Dems are terrible to and are getting much worse .


If only the Blue Dogs were still there

People like you really need to make up your mind.

If the Democrats are THAT bad, THAT awful, then stop demonizing Trump.  He may be a yucky-yucky, but he believes  in the vast majority of what you believe in.

If they're not, join them.  Or be an independent like me.  I'm a registered Republican, but an independent voter, and I'm certainly not voting for Rick Scott for anything.

Trump did the hard work of actually offering Republicans a choice as to what it meant to be a Republican, and a number of protectionist Perot-voters and their families that had abandoned the party in 1992 (but voted GOP in downballot races) were still there, and now, they were being counted.  The biggest businessman in the race made his cause with them, and not with the Business Roundtable.  And he won.  That indicates to me that guys like Kasich really didn't have an idea as to who was exactly in their party.

Im very likely going to vote third party in 2020 , while voting Republican down the ballot.

[The Undefeatable Debbie Stabenow]

The “Trump isn’t the true GOP” talking point always makes me roll my eyes. The party is whatever the base says it is, and they overwhelmingly approve of Trump, so yes, Trump is now the embodiment of the Republican Party. If truly a majority of Republicans really wanted to change the direction of the party, they could, but they clearly are not planning to do so.

[pbrower2a]

That's right, the Republican Party is whatever Kasich says it is, even if 90% of Republicans voted for Trump.

Because he had the R next to his name on the ballot.

LOL, that makes it even worse.

Anyways, Trump is a manifestation of the Republican Party since 1968.

Nope


Republican Party was strongly for free trade
Republican Party was the party that were for H1B visas
Republican Party was the party that were for being against the Russians

Apparently their commitment to those "principles" was about an inch deep.

They sold out their principles to win an election, and they are going to pay a high price for that.

[OSR stands with Israel]

That's right, the Republican Party is whatever Kasich says it is, even if 90% of Republicans voted for Trump.

Because he had the R next to his name on the ballot.

LOL, that makes it even worse.

Anyways, Trump is a manifestation of the Republican Party since 1968.

Nope


Republican Party was strongly for free trade
Republican Party was the party that were for H1B visas
Republican Party was the party that were for being against the Russians

Apparently their commitment to those "principles" was about an inch deep.

They sold out their principles to win an election, and they are going to pay a high price for that.

The fact is unless 2/3 of both houses vote to get rid of a President power to impose tarrifs there is no way they can be removed