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Do not agree. Not a smart thing to say.   -28 (32.2%)
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« on: August 15, 2018, 06:01:26 pm »

Seriously democrats are the gift that keeps on giving. While Trump says dumb stuff at times and should be in a stronger position for 2020 the democrats lurching more and more left is the thing that could reelect him...

https://www.lohud.com/story/news/politics/albany/2018/08/15/knocking-trump-cuomo-criticized-saying-america-never-great/1000315002/

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« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2018, 06:09:14 pm »

What an absolutely idiotic thing to say.

My biggest problem with the far-left (and I guess the people that pander to them) of this country is their opposition to basic patriotism. It's astonishing how they don't realize this leads to their own electoral demise.

With that said, we finally have a President that opposes American exceptionalism too, so I guess there's not that big of a difference anymore.
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« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2018, 06:11:46 pm »

What an absolutely idiotic thing to say.

My biggest problem with the far-left (and I guess the people that pander to them) of this country is their opposition to basic patriotism. It's astonishing how they don't realize this leads to their own electoral demise.

With that said, we finally have a President that opposes American exceptionalism too, so I guess there's not that big of a difference anymore.
Agree. I really do not like a lot of things about Trump. His vulgarity bothers me most of the time and also his lack of compassion for those who are not white also bothers me, but the democratic party is lost. I used to be a democrat. I miss the JFK type democrats who fought for progressive values but proudly supported and loved their country..where is that party?
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« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2018, 06:22:54 pm »

Actual policy > "Patriotism"

Ideally, no one should vote on whether they consider a party patriotic or not.

In direct answer to the question, no. America was much better off in the pre-Reagan era to the point where it would be considered "great" but we haven't been great in recent decades.
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« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2018, 06:23:07 pm »

Not a smart thing for a would-be Commander-in-Chief to say. Still, I'd like to know the context in which he said it, and if the quote is being taken out of context (as was Hillary Clinton's "basket of deplorables" comment, which I believe cost her the election).
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« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2018, 06:25:23 pm »

Not a smart thing for a would-be Commander-in-Chief to say. Still, I'd like to know the context in which he said it, and if the quote is being taken out of context (as was Hillary Clinton's "basket of deplorables" comment, which I believe cost her the election).
I believe that it is good when a leader recognizes the problems with an organization so that they can be addressed as opposed to being oblivious about everything and running their organization into the ground. Also,
Actual policy > "Patriotism"
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« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2018, 06:25:51 pm »

What an absolutely idiotic thing to say.

My biggest problem with the far-left (and I guess the people that pander to them) of this country is their opposition to basic patriotism. It's astonishing how they don't realize this leads to their own electoral demise.

With that said, we finally have a President that opposes American exceptionalism too, so I guess there's not that big of a difference anymore.
Agree. I really do not like a lot of things about Trump. His vulgarity bothers me most of the time and also his lack of compassion for those who are not white also bothers me, but the democratic party is lost. I used to be a democrat. I miss the JFK type democrats who fought for progressive values but proudly supported and loved their country..where is that party?
Stop the strawman. At least 80% of Democrats love our country, I included. What we don't support is blind patriotism, acting like everything is great and nothing needs to change. Also, you have been pretty outspoken as a supporter of Trump, yet you miss "JFK Democrats". Give me a break, the dem platform has stayed pretty much the same since the days of Kennedy. Stop telling me I don't love my country because of the political party I ascribe to. That's dumb. Also, how is the republican party not lost?
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« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2018, 06:31:32 pm »

Cuomo will be Cuomo. No surprise here.
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Exactly my point. It's a shame that there are now 2 parties of the rich in America. Expect SS/Medicare cuts/more tax cuts for the wealthy coming from both parties now.
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« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2018, 06:38:43 pm »

Not a smart thing for a would-be Commander-in-Chief to say. Still, I'd like to know the context in which he said it, and if the quote is being taken out of context (as was Hillary Clinton's "basket of deplorables" comment, which I believe cost her the election).
I believe that it is good when a leader recognizes the problems with an organization so that they can be addressed as opposed to being oblivious about everything and running their organization into the ground. Also,
Actual policy > "Patriotism"
Fair enough. Again, I'd like to see the context.
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« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2018, 06:41:24 pm »

What an absolutely idiotic thing to say.

My biggest problem with the far-left (and I guess the people that pander to them) of this country is their opposition to basic patriotism. It's astonishing how they don't realize this leads to their own electoral demise.

Aside of the simple fact Cuomo is hardly "far-left", let's not confuse patriotism with "my country is and always was the best" delusions.
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« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2018, 06:43:53 pm »

This is enough to cost him the election in November.  It's possible now.

His Presidential campaign will never get off the ground now.  The big donors will not see him as a winner.  And, again, that's assuming he's re-elected.

It was a comment more dumb than Gerald Ford saying, "There is no Soviet domination of Eastern Europe." during the second debate with Carter.
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« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2018, 06:54:22 pm »

This is a Michael Kinsley gaffe:
 "A gaffe is when a politician tells the truth – some obvious truth he isn't supposed to say."
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« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2018, 07:04:44 pm »


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I miss the JFK type democrats who fought for progressive values but proudly supported and loved their country..where is that party?

They're still the Democrats. Did you watch the 2016 convention?
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« Reply #13 on: August 15, 2018, 07:05:52 pm »

What an absolutely idiotic thing to say.

My biggest problem with the far-left (and I guess the people that pander to them) of this country is their opposition to basic patriotism. It's astonishing how they don't realize this leads to their own electoral demise.

Aside of the simple fact Cuomo is hardly "far-left", let's not confuse patriotism with "my country is and always was the best" delusions.

This.

Also, I don’t think this comment would cost anybody an election, honestly. Lol.
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« Reply #14 on: August 15, 2018, 07:07:18 pm »

This is enough to cost him the election in November.  It's possible now.

His Presidential campaign will never get off the ground now.  The big donors will not see him as a winner.  And, again, that's assuming he's re-elected.

It was a comment more dumb than Gerald Ford saying, "There is no Soviet domination of Eastern Europe." during the second debate with Carter.
I assume you arent referring to NY-GOV?
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« Reply #15 on: August 15, 2018, 07:28:26 pm »

This is enough to cost him the election in November.  It's possible now.

His Presidential campaign will never get off the ground now.  The big donors will not see him as a winner.  And, again, that's assuming he's re-elected.

It was a comment more dumb than Gerald Ford saying, "There is no Soviet domination of Eastern Europe." during the second debate with Carter.
I assume you arent referring to NY-GOV?

This is the kind of thing that can get blown out of proportion to where Cuomo has a real fight to be re-elected, even in Democratic NY.
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« Reply #16 on: August 15, 2018, 07:33:33 pm »

It's not untrue. The ugly parts of our history that we don't glorify and revere (Confederate statues) get glossed over. Newton's third law of physics also applies to politics: every action has an equal and opposite reaction. We banned slavery, so Jim Crow laws were put into place. We banned segregation, whites resegregated themselves by fleeing to the suburbs. We tried to get blacks out of poverty with education, whites ban affirmative action. Then we declared war on drugs and got tough on crime so that if we couldn't segregate blacks, we'd just put them all in prison.
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« Reply #17 on: August 15, 2018, 07:44:01 pm »

What an absolutely idiotic thing to say.

My biggest problem with the far-left (and I guess the people that pander to them) of this country is their opposition to basic patriotism. It's astonishing how they don't realize this leads to their own electoral demise.

With that said, we finally have a President that opposes American exceptionalism too, so I guess there's not that big of a difference anymore.
Agree. I really do not like a lot of things about Trump. His vulgarity bothers me most of the time and also his lack of compassion for those who are not white also bothers me, but the democratic party is lost. I used to be a democrat. I miss the JFK type democrats who fought for progressive values but proudly supported and loved their country..where is that party?
Stop the strawman. At least 80% of Democrats love our country, I included. What we don't support is blind patriotism, acting like everything is great and nothing needs to change. Also, you have been pretty outspoken as a supporter of Trump, yet you miss "JFK Democrats". Give me a break, the dem platform has stayed pretty much the same since the days of Kennedy. Stop telling me I don't love my country because of the political party I ascribe to. That's dumb. Also, how is the republican party not lost?

What an absolutely idiotic thing to say.

My biggest problem with the far-left (and I guess the people that pander to them) of this country is their opposition to basic patriotism. It's astonishing how they don't realize this leads to their own electoral demise.

Aside of the simple fact Cuomo is hardly "far-left", let's not confuse patriotism with "my country is and always was the best" delusions.
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« Reply #18 on: August 15, 2018, 08:04:22 pm »

Although I prefer Nixon, this was a very courageous thing to say and perhaps it is an understatement,
but I can confidently say that I agree 100%. Right on Cuomo.

To think otherwise is a little crazy considering our very ugly history.

It isn't politically correct, but when was I ever politically correct?

I don't blame America First; first I have my coffee and then I blame America.
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« Reply #19 on: August 15, 2018, 08:17:36 pm »

Cynthia Nixon must have a powerful voodoo doll
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« Reply #20 on: August 15, 2018, 08:22:49 pm »

This is enough to cost him the election in November.  It's possible now.

His Presidential campaign will never get off the ground now.  The big donors will not see him as a winner.  And, again, that's assuming he's re-elected.

It was a comment more dumb than Gerald Ford saying, "There is no Soviet domination of Eastern Europe." during the second debate with Carter.
I assume you arent referring to NY-GOV?

This is the kind of thing that can get blown out of proportion to where Cuomo has a real fight to be re-elected, even in Democratic NY.
oh, well he most definitely isn't losing the Governors Race. He won by 14 in a red wave with a pretty good opponent.
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« Reply #21 on: August 15, 2018, 08:24:18 pm »

Nixon is endorsed by Alexandria the Great and she played a fantastic role in Amadeus, the greatest movie of all time.
Perhaps she won't win the race for governor, but should she win, I could see myself supporting Nixon for president.
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« Reply #22 on: August 15, 2018, 08:26:54 pm »

My biggest problem with the far-left (and I guess the people that pander to them) of this country is their opposition to basic patriotism. It's astonishing how they don't realize this leads to their own electoral demise.
That is because the far-left bases their positions on a clear and coherent ideology rather than shamelessly adopting whatever poll-tested positions some hack consultant recommends.

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« Reply #23 on: August 15, 2018, 08:28:31 pm »

Although I prefer Nixon, this was a very courageous thing to say and perhaps it is an understatement,
but I can confidently say that I agree 100%. Right on Cuomo.

To think otherwise is a little crazy considering our very ugly history.

It isn't politically correct, but when was I ever politically correct?

I don't blame America First; first I have my coffee and then I blame America.

Liberal sentiment like this will result in Cuomo winning reelection in the low single digits at best.
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« Reply #24 on: August 15, 2018, 08:32:58 pm »

Although I prefer Nixon, this was a very courageous thing to say and perhaps it is an understatement,
but I can confidently say that I agree 100%. Right on Cuomo.

To think otherwise is a little crazy considering our very ugly history.

It isn't politically correct, but when was I ever politically correct?

I don't blame America First; first I have my coffee and then I blame America.

Liberal sentiment like this will result in Cuomo winning reelection in the low single digits at best.
I can't vote in NY so it doesn't matter what I think. It makes no difference, though, whether he wins in a landslide or by one vote, right? This is all moot, since I say "Nixon's the One"
Also, if she loses the primary she can still win as a third party candidate, possible if not likely.
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