Democratic Primary Race / Endorsement

[Gustaf]

C'mon people lets not get angry this is a political forum we shouldn't be getting into arguments about sports lol.

I am not angry at all. See, smiley:

[PD]

Watch it now. Tennis is my sport. Golf is my second sport. I'm upper calss as well. Am I a brat?

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You think?

Was I talking to you? No. I don't believe in giving people what they want all the time. Maybe to get them started, but if they want to be successful, let them work for it.

Easy to say when you're upper class, and don't have to live by those rules yourself.

My parents worked hard to make the amount of money we have. I have been taught the same. I'm not saying that you should not help anybody get to  success, but don't do it for them. That's one problem w/ dems, they want to give the public everything. And they think that the people that work for their money and are successfull and make a lot of money should share it with everyone. I DON'T THINK SO! That's our money for our family. Sure, we donate a lot to charity, but that's for people that need it, not grubby little suckers that ruined their lives and want us to pay for it.

[© tweed]

Well, I know what your answer would be, so I was talking to him.

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You should have specified who you were talking to if it meant so much to you.

[migrendel]

I cannot condemn you, PD, because my family played tennis, golf, and vacationed in East Hampton. I come from the same background you do, but I just have managed to see that I was lucky enough not to get railroaded merely because of my birth. As for your idea of being head of the Education Department, I would prefer Justice, Labor, or Commerce as where my portfolio shall be. For all I've done, I would hope you wouldn't fob me off with some low-level cabinet position.

[PD]

I cannot condemn you, PD, because my family played tennis, golf, and vacationed in East Hampton. I come from the same background you do, but I just have managed to see that I was lucky enough not to get railroaded merely because of my birth. As for your idea of being head of the Education Department, I would prefer Justice, Labor, or Commerce as where my portfolio shall be. For all I've done, I would hope you wouldn't fob me off with some low-level cabinet position.

What do you mean "railroaded because of my birth"?

[Gustaf]

Watch it now. Tennis is my sport. Golf is my second sport. I'm upper calss as well. Am I a brat?

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You think?

Was I talking to you? No. I don't believe in giving people what they want all the time. Maybe to get them started, but if they want to be successful, let them work for it.

Easy to say when you're upper class, and don't have to live by those rules yourself.

My parents worked hard to make the amount of money we have. I have been taught the same. I'm not saying that you should not help anybody get to  success, but don't do it for them. That's one problem w/ dems, they want to give the public everything. And they think that the people that work for their money and are successfull and make a lot of money should share it with everyone. I DON'T THINK SO! That's our money for our family. Sure, we donate a lot to charity, but that's for people that need it, not grubby little suckers that ruined their lives and want us to pay for it.

I don't think that we should give everything to the public. And I'm sure your parents worked hard, so did mine. But that doesn't matter, every individual is still responsible for him or herself.

My dad is much more conservative than I am, largely b/c he comes from a poor working class family. I would most likely be more conservative if I weren't so privilegied, but I know it's easy for me to be conservative, since I benefit from it personally. Therefore I am careful with condemning people less lucky than myself.  

[© tweed]

Well, he speaks a different form of English that I do based on his education, but I can try to translate....

He means he has been open and understanding of the lower classes despite being born in the upper class.

When I was growing up, I vacation on the roof of my Coney Island apartment.

[PD]

Watch it now. Tennis is my sport. Golf is my second sport. I'm upper calss as well. Am I a brat?

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You think?

Was I talking to you? No. I don't believe in giving people what they want all the time. Maybe to get them started, but if they want to be successful, let them work for it.

Easy to say when you're upper class, and don't have to live by those rules yourself.

My parents worked hard to make the amount of money we have. I have been taught the same. I'm not saying that you should not help anybody get to  success, but don't do it for them. That's one problem w/ dems, they want to give the public everything. And they think that the people that work for their money and are successfull and make a lot of money should share it with everyone. I DON'T THINK SO! That's our money for our family. Sure, we donate a lot to charity, but that's for people that need it, not grubby little suckers that ruined their lives and want us to pay for it.

I don't think that we should give everything to the public. And I'm sure your parents worked hard, so did mine. But that doesn't matter, every individual is still responsible for him or herself.

My dad is much more conservative than I am, largely b/c he comes from a poor working class family. I would most likely be more conservative if I weren't so privilegied, but I know it's easy for me to be conservative, since I benefit from it personally. Therefore I am careful with condemning people less lucky than myself.  

I'm really conservative and I certainly don't come from a poor family. I agree that we're all respnsible for ourselves, and I am very priveleged, but I'm still VERY conservative. That's my mindset. I have also been, and am still being brought up in (remember I'm 15) a conservative Christian household.

[Michael Z]

Watch it now. Tennis is my sport. Golf is my second sport. I'm upper calss as well. Am I a brat?

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You think?

Was I talking to you? No. I don't believe in giving people what they want all the time. Maybe to get them started, but if they want to be successful, let them work for it.

Easy to say when you're upper class, and don't have to live by those rules yourself.

My parents worked hard to make the amount of money we have. I have been taught the same. I'm not saying that you should not help anybody get to  success, but don't do it for them. That's one problem w/ dems, they want to give the public everything. And they think that the people that work for their money and are successfull and make a lot of money should share it with everyone. I DON'T THINK SO! That's our money for our family. Sure, we donate a lot to charity, but that's for people that need it, not grubby little suckers that ruined their lives and want us to pay for it.

You seem to assume that poor people only have themselves to blame for being poor, when in reality they are often not given the chance to work their way up. People who are born into a poor background have a hard time working their way up the ladder, and it is, to a degree, the government's responsibility to help them find the means and opportunities to do so, as well as the motivation. At least that's what I think.

[Gustaf]

Watch it now. Tennis is my sport. Golf is my second sport. I'm upper calss as well. Am I a brat?

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You think?

Was I talking to you? No. I don't believe in giving people what they want all the time. Maybe to get them started, but if they want to be successful, let them work for it.

Easy to say when you're upper class, and don't have to live by those rules yourself.

My parents worked hard to make the amount of money we have. I have been taught the same. I'm not saying that you should not help anybody get to  success, but don't do it for them. That's one problem w/ dems, they want to give the public everything. And they think that the people that work for their money and are successfull and make a lot of money should share it with everyone. I DON'T THINK SO! That's our money for our family. Sure, we donate a lot to charity, but that's for people that need it, not grubby little suckers that ruined their lives and want us to pay for it.

I don't think that we should give everything to the public. And I'm sure your parents worked hard, so did mine. But that doesn't matter, every individual is still responsible for him or herself.

My dad is much more conservative than I am, largely b/c he comes from a poor working class family. I would most likely be more conservative if I weren't so privilegied, but I know it's easy for me to be conservative, since I benefit from it personally. Therefore I am careful with condemning people less lucky than myself.  

I'm really conservative and I certainly don't come from a poor family. I agree that we're all respnsible for ourselves, and I am very priveleged, but I'm still VERY conservative. That's my mindset. I have also been, and am still being brought up in (remember I'm 15) a conservative Christian household.

And it has never crossed your mind that you haven't really done anything to deserve your life and that it might be hypocritical to hold views that benefit yourself?

[migrendel]

I meant that we're both very lucky, PD. We came out on top, and one would think you could show some sympathy towards those born to different circumstances. I also remember when I was fifteen. What a wonderful time it was. My boyfriend's father was mayor, and...well, let's not get nostalgic. But anyway, Miamiu, I want to be Secretary of Labor. I will not impose on you for a more important role, but I do wish to be involved in the well-being of our citizens in the workforce.

[PD]

Watch it now. Tennis is my sport. Golf is my second sport. I'm upper calss as well. Am I a brat?

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You think?

Was I talking to you? No. I don't believe in giving people what they want all the time. Maybe to get them started, but if they want to be successful, let them work for it.

Easy to say when you're upper class, and don't have to live by those rules yourself.

My parents worked hard to make the amount of money we have. I have been taught the same. I'm not saying that you should not help anybody get to  success, but don't do it for them. That's one problem w/ dems, they want to give the public everything. And they think that the people that work for their money and are successfull and make a lot of money should share it with everyone. I DON'T THINK SO! That's our money for our family. Sure, we donate a lot to charity, but that's for people that need it, not grubby little suckers that ruined their lives and want us to pay for it.

I don't think that we should give everything to the public. And I'm sure your parents worked hard, so did mine. But that doesn't matter, every individual is still responsible for him or herself.

My dad is much more conservative than I am, largely b/c he comes from a poor working class family. I would most likely be more conservative if I weren't so privilegied, but I know it's easy for me to be conservative, since I benefit from it personally. Therefore I am careful with condemning people less lucky than myself.  

I'm really conservative and I certainly don't come from a poor family. I agree that we're all respnsible for ourselves, and I am very priveleged, but I'm still VERY conservative. That's my mindset. I have also been, and am still being brought up in (remember I'm 15) a conservative Christian household.

And it has never crossed your mind that you haven't really done anything to deserve your life and that it might be hypocritical to hold views that benefit yourself?

That's not it. I told you, we donate a lot to charity, that's people who need it. The others, the ones that screwed up their life by getting pregnant at 15, and spending all their money on drugs, those types, can forget it. Besides, we should not be FORCED to give anyone anything.

[migrendel]

Also, a lot of these people got pregnant and gave birth because of inflexible views on birth control and abortion. I won't let anyone forget that.

[PD]

Also, a lot of these people got pregnant and gave birth because of inflexible views on birth control and abortion. I won't let anyone forget that.

Well, I think that if you do get pregnant, whether your 15 or not, you should have the child. I do not believe in abortion or birth control. Still, you should not be getting pregnant at 15.

[PD]

I meant that we're both very lucky, PD. We came out on top, and one would think you could show some sympathy towards those born to different circumstances. I also remember when I was fifteen. What a wonderful time it was. My boyfriend's father was mayor, and...well, let's not get nostalgic. But anyway, Miamiu, I want to be Secretary of Labor. I will not impose on you for a more important role, but I do wish to be involved in the well-being of our citizens in the workforce.

I do show some sympathy. As I said before, we give money to CHARITY. That would mean people that can't help it.

[© tweed]

Also, a lot of these people got pregnant and gave birth because of inflexible views on birth control and abortion. I won't let anyone forget that.

Well, I think that if you do get pregnant, whether your 15 or not, you should have the child. I do not believe in abortion or birth control. Still, you should not be getting pregnant at 15.

But even if you are impregnated against your will, PD tinks you should be forced to bear the child.

[PD]

Also, a lot of these people got pregnant and gave birth because of inflexible views on birth control and abortion. I won't let anyone forget that.

Well, I think that if you do get pregnant, whether your 15 or not, you should have the child. I do not believe in abortion or birth control. Still, you should not be getting pregnant at 15.

But even if you are impregnated against your will, PD tinks you should be forced to bear the child.

Absolutely.

[© tweed]

do you think that the woman should be allowe dto put the child up for adoption?

[migrendel]

I would have to know what charities are the beneficiaries of your largesse. And with people like PD involved in politics, and attaining influence, it makes me glad that I don't have a uterus.

[© tweed]

I would have to know what charities are the beneficiaries of your largesse. And with people like PD involved in politics, and attaining influence, it makes me glad that I don't have a uterus.

Ditto

[PD]

do you think that the woman should be allowe dto put the child up for adoption?

Sure. But if she can take care of it (in a good househould and clean environment) then she should. If not, that child deserves a better life and should be put up for adoption.

[PD]

I would have to know what charities are the beneficiaries of your largesse. And with people like PD involved in politics, and attaining influence, it makes me glad that I don't have a uterus.

Aren't you a female? You stated earlier that you had a boyfriend.

[© tweed]

I would have to know what charities are the beneficiaries of your largesse. And with people like PD involved in politics, and attaining influence, it makes me glad that I don't have a uterus.

Aren't you a female? You stated earlier that you had a boyfriend.

No, he said that he was  a man at the old board.

[TheWildCard]

Okay I'll say this I lknow someone who once lived in a very bad area(gangs, crime, etc.). they saw their parents work hard and got out of there. Then they got lucky in the market and well they became not upper class but way better off then they were. They are conservitives and feel if you work hard you'll get where you need to go

Frankly I agree with PD there are people who need money and people who just threw away their lives. I've also know of too many people who cheat on government programs to get money because their hurt and can't work and they can(they even admit to it). Also, I'd say even if you're born into wealth somewhere down the line someone busted their hump to get the family there so they'd know that thier family was safe and secure I wouldn't like to risk taking that away from them.

Thats my opinion anyway, sorry if you disagree but thats your opinion, I have mine thats life.

[PD]

I would have to know what charities are the beneficiaries of your largesse. And with people like PD involved in politics, and attaining influence, it makes me glad that I don't have a uterus.

Aren't you a female? You stated earlier that you had a boyfriend.

No, he said that he was  a man at the old board.

Oh! Oh, I didn't know.