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Question: Who's made America Great among Democrats ?
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Franklin Delano Roosevelt
 
#2
Harry Truman
 
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John Kennedy
 
#4
Lyndon Johnson
 
#5
Jimmy Carter
 
#6
Bill Clinton
 
#7
Barack Obama
 
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« on: August 16, 2018, 05:31:46 AM »

Who's made America Great among Democrats ? Discuss.
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« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2018, 05:40:45 AM »

America was made great through the efforts of ordinary persons, not the machinations of politicians.
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« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2018, 06:02:39 AM »

America was made great through the efforts of ordinary persons, not the machinations of politicians.

This.

But of those, FDR is the only defensible answer.
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« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2018, 06:03:10 AM »

America was made great through the efforts of ordinary persons, not the machinations of politicians.

This. Activism and sustained efforts of laborists, unions, and civil rights leaders made possible what we have now. Yeah, FDR and LBJ helped, but FDR put thousands upon thousands of Japanese Americans into camps. That's evil.
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« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2018, 07:19:38 AM »

FDR made America a much better place to live over a period covering more than a decade. The only obvious blemishes are Japanese internment and court-packing efforts, but those pale in comparison to the sheer impact of all the good things he did.
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« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2018, 07:44:55 AM »

FDR made America a much better place to live over a period covering more than a decade. The only obvious blemishes are Japanese internment and court-packing efforts, but those pale in comparison to the sheer impact of all the good things he did.

FDR saved Western-style capitalism, by forcing the creation of a social safety net and a degree of worker inclusion in its benefits, and by putting limits on capitalism's ability for uncontrolled profit-seeking that harms everyone.
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« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2018, 07:54:45 AM »

FDR made America a much better place to live over a period covering more than a decade. The only obvious blemishes are Japanese internment and court-packing efforts, but those pale in comparison to the sheer impact of all the good things he did.

FDR saved Western-style capitalism, by forcing the creation of a social safety net and a degree of worker inclusion in its benefits, and by putting limits on capitalism's ability for uncontrolled profit-seeking that harms everyone.

This.
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« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2018, 07:58:22 AM »

FDR made America a much better place to live over a period covering more than a decade. The only obvious blemishes are Japanese internment and court-packing efforts, but those pale in comparison to the sheer impact of all the good things he did.

FDR saved Western-style capitalism, by forcing the creation of a social safety net and a degree of worker inclusion in its benefits, and by putting limits on capitalism's ability for uncontrolled profit-seeking that harms everyone.

This.
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« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2018, 09:26:15 AM »

Obviously FDR.
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« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2018, 09:48:03 AM »

Lyndon for Civil Rights and Voting Rights. The South was an oligarchy before that.
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« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2018, 10:24:07 AM »

FDR made America a much better place to live over a period covering more than a decade. The only obvious blemishes are Japanese internment and court-packing efforts, but those pale in comparison to the sheer impact of all the good things he did.

FDR saved Western-style capitalism, by forcing the creation of a social safety net and a degree of worker inclusion in its benefits, and by putting limits on capitalism's ability for uncontrolled profit-seeking that harms everyone.

FDR also pushed for very damaging laws that prolonged the Great Depression. Sure, his leadership during WW2 puts him in the history books, he pushed for some extremely important reforms and it's only humane (and sane) to build a decent safety net, but the Japanese internment was extremely evil and his economic policies often didn't work out. Like I said, I'm all for establishing a safety net stimulating the economy during a recession, but FDR pushed for some idiotic policies. Austerity in 1937/1938, anti-competition measures with NIRA in 1933 (which was declared unconstitutional in 1935 but by then the damage was already done), anti-competition policies in general (which continued after NIRA was deemed unconstitutional). FDR's economic record wasn't 100% successful.
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« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2018, 10:27:29 AM »

FDR made America a much better place to live over a period covering more than a decade. The only obvious blemishes are Japanese internment and court-packing efforts, but those pale in comparison to the sheer impact of all the good things he did.

FDR saved Western-style capitalism, by forcing the creation of a social safety net and a degree of worker inclusion in its benefits, and by putting limits on capitalism's ability for uncontrolled profit-seeking that harms everyone.

This.
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« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2018, 10:53:08 AM »

FDR made America a much better place to live over a period covering more than a decade. The only obvious blemishes are Japanese internment and court-packing efforts, but those pale in comparison to the sheer impact of all the good things he did.

FDR saved Western-style capitalism, by forcing the creation of a social safety net and a degree of worker inclusion in its benefits, and by putting limits on capitalism's ability for uncontrolled profit-seeking that harms everyone.

He also saved Western Christian civilization (without ignoring the importance of Sir Winston Churchill) from its own worst tendencies. America and its allies absolutely, positively had to defeat the Axis Powers, and even if FDR was no blood-curdling militarist he was the best person to have leading America at the time, the Second Lincoln.   
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« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2018, 10:55:38 AM »

FDR made America a much better place to live over a period covering more than a decade. The only obvious blemishes are Japanese internment and court-packing efforts, but those pale in comparison to the sheer impact of all the good things he did.

FDR saved Western-style capitalism, by forcing the creation of a social safety net and a degree of worker inclusion in its benefits, and by putting limits on capitalism's ability for uncontrolled profit-seeking that harms everyone.

FDR also pushed for very damaging laws that prolonged the Great Depression. Sure, his leadership during WW2 puts him in the history books, he pushed for some extremely important reforms and it's only humane (and sane) to build a decent safety net, but the Japanese internment was extremely evil and his economic policies often didn't work out. Like I said, I'm all for establishing a safety net stimulating the economy during a recession, but FDR pushed for some idiotic policies. Austerity in 1937/1938, anti-competition measures with NIRA in 1933 (which was declared unconstitutional in 1935 but by then the damage was already done), anti-competition policies in general (which continued after NIRA was deemed unconstitutional). FDR's economic record wasn't 100% successful.

You know what, I'm actually going to say it. FDR's economic policies were sh**tty and because of him the depression lasted longer than it should have. Stimulus in times of a recession is good, a safety net is good, some financial regulations are good and the FDIC definitely was good. But his price-fixing law killed competition and innovation, distorted markets and lengthened the depression. A tailor who charged 35 cents instead of 40 cents was sent to jail FFS.
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« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2018, 10:56:06 AM »

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« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2018, 11:12:49 AM »

all horrendous except carter clinton and maybe jfk
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« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2018, 11:24:37 AM »

FDR, who got New Deal passed.
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« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2018, 12:31:06 PM »

America has never been great.
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« Reply #18 on: August 16, 2018, 12:59:46 PM »

America was made great through the efforts of ordinary persons, not the machinations of politicians.

This.

But of those, FDR is the only defensible answer.

Indeed, Vietnam disqualifies LBJ, but FDR's concentration camps for Japanese Americans is a mere blemish.
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« Reply #19 on: August 16, 2018, 01:30:24 PM »


If you don’t love it, leave it
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« Reply #20 on: August 16, 2018, 01:32:13 PM »

FDR made America a much better place to live over a period covering more than a decade. The only obvious blemishes are Japanese internment and court-packing efforts, but those pale in comparison to the sheer impact of all the good things he did.

FDR saved Western-style capitalism, by forcing the creation of a social safety net and a degree of worker inclusion in its benefits, and by putting limits on capitalism's ability for uncontrolled profit-seeking that harms everyone.
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« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2018, 01:39:14 PM »

FDR made America a much better place to live over a period covering more than a decade. The only obvious blemishes are Japanese internment and court-packing efforts, but those pale in comparison to the sheer impact of all the good things he did.
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« Reply #22 on: August 16, 2018, 01:45:00 PM »

Roll Eyes

*proceeds to throw people escaping their country for a better way of life into cages*
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« Reply #23 on: August 16, 2018, 03:41:18 PM »

Roll Eyes

*proceeds to throw people escaping their country for a better way of life into cages*

If they did it the right way, filed their forms, and went to any port of entry they wouldn’t have been arrested
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« Reply #24 on: August 16, 2018, 04:27:12 PM »

All of them to some extent, but I voted JFK. I'm amazed no one else did. Sure, he had his flaws, but he inspired Americans, especially young Americans, to be more civic-minded. The activists at the 1968 and 1972 Dem conventions, who helped bring us the party we have today, were "Kennedy's kids".
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