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  Are "Classical Liberals" or "True Statists" more common in America?
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« on: August 17, 2018, 04:42:25 am »

Both of these voting blocs have to hold their noses on some issues when they vote.
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« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2018, 06:03:37 am »

Definitely the latter. Classical liberals are practically an endangered species yet the media often overrepresents them. Here's what I mean:

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« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2018, 06:21:18 am »

True Statists probably are more common but it doesn't matter since we always win.

I'm not sure whether political tests are a very good way of answering this question though. There is a sh**tton of people who identify as fiscally conservative and socially liberal while not actually being fiscally conservative (or socially liberal). People don't see themselves as a point on a coordinate system, they affiliate with a philosophy they like on paper (or more accurate: a politician they like).
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« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2018, 05:45:00 pm »

Definitely the latter. Classical liberals are practically an endangered species yet the media often overrepresents them. Here's what I mean:


the 2016 election must have been lost in that upper-left quadrant. Tongue
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« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2018, 10:46:35 pm »

Definitely the latter. Classical liberals are practically an endangered species yet the media often overrepresents them. Here's what I mean:



This graphic also represents why the identity politics everybody complains about are front in center in our political discourse. Cultural/social issues are the main dividing line, far more chasmic than the economic divide.
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« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2018, 05:06:41 am »

Definitely the latter. Classical liberals are practically an endangered species yet the media often overrepresents them. Here's what I mean:



This graphic also represents why the identity politics everybody complains about are front in center in our political discourse. Cultural/social issues are the main dividing line, far more chasmic than the economic divide.

Yet the Democrats don't campaign on winning on economic issues that are popular..
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« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2018, 12:41:46 pm »

Definitely the latter. Classical liberals are practically an endangered species yet the media often overrepresents them. Here's what I mean:



This graphic also represents why the identity politics everybody complains about are front in center in our political discourse. Cultural/social issues are the main dividing line, far more chasmic than the economic divide.

Yet the Democrats don't campaign on winning on economic issues that are popular..

Yes they do, specific policy programs that are broadly popular amomgst the population are the bread and butter of Democratic campaigns. The bread and butter of Republican campaigns, on the other hand, is to broadly attack any policy program in terms of being “big government” or “socialism,” which ends up being suprisingly effective due to the symbolically conservative nature of much of the American electorate.
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« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2018, 01:18:57 pm »
« Edited: August 20, 2018, 01:23:03 pm by Tintrlvr »

Definitely the latter. Classical liberals are practically an endangered species yet the media often overrepresents them. Here's what I mean:



This graphic also represents why the identity politics everybody complains about are front in center in our political discourse. Cultural/social issues are the main dividing line, far more chasmic than the economic divide.

Yet the Democrats don't campaign on winning on economic issues that are popular..

Yes they do, specific policy programs that are broadly popular amomgst the population are the bread and butter of Democratic campaigns. The bread and butter of Republican campaigns, on the other hand, is to broadly attack any policy program in terms of being “big government” or “socialism,” which ends up being suprisingly effective due to the symbolically conservative nature of much of the American electorate.

More significantly, "big government" and "socialism" have become coded terms for essentially "social" issues - in particular, the implication is made that the government is out to help racial and ethnic minorities but not you, struggling white person.
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« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2018, 01:27:52 pm »

Definitely the latter. Classical liberals are practically an endangered species yet the media often overrepresents them. Here's what I mean:



This graphic also represents why the identity politics everybody complains about are front in center in our political discourse. Cultural/social issues are the main dividing line, far more chasmic than the economic divide.

Yet the Democrats don't campaign on winning on economic issues that are popular..

Yet the Republicans continue to campaign on winning economic issues that are unpopular.
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« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2018, 02:41:48 pm »

Definitely the latter. Classical liberals are practically an endangered species yet the media often overrepresents them. Here's what I mean:



This graphic also represents why the identity politics everybody complains about are front in center in our political discourse. Cultural/social issues are the main dividing line, far more chasmic than the economic divide.

Yet the Democrats don't campaign on winning on economic issues that are popular..

Yes they do, specific policy programs that are broadly popular amomgst the population are the bread and butter of Democratic campaigns. The bread and butter of Republican campaigns, on the other hand, is to broadly attack any policy program in terms of being “big government” or “socialism,” which ends up being suprisingly effective due to the symbolically conservative nature of much of the American electorate.

More significantly, "big government" and "socialism" have become coded terms for essentially "social" issues - in particular, the implication is made that the government is out to help racial and ethnic minorities but not you, struggling white person.
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