SB 2018-295: No Child Should Live in Poverty Act (Debating)

[Mr. Reactionary]

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People's House of Representatives
Passed 7-0-1-1 in the Atlasian House Assembled
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Sponsor: Needed

[Terry the Fat Shark]

A sponsor is still needed for this.

[Adam Griffin]

I will sponsor this.

However, I want to also see the figures for what this would cost in net terms. Did the House do an assessment, or will we need one conducted? This strikes me as being potentially quite expensive.

[Mr. Reactionary]

I will sponsor this.

However, I want to also see the figures for what this would cost in net terms. Did the House do an assessment, or will we need one conducted? This strikes me as being potentially quite expensive.

We will def need a study. And the funding source is very blunt.

[fhtagn]

This never received a GM estimate if that helps.  Might be worth contacting Truman/HCP.

[Pericles]

Here's a relevant post from the House debate.

Frankly, the child poverty rate in Atlasia is disgraceful(all child poverty is disgraceful IMO, but Atlasia's rate is more disgraceful than most developed nations), at over 20%. By reforming the Child Tax Credit and extending support to families, millions would be lifted out of poverty. Irl, policies of a similar nature(these actually are more generous I believe), were projected to benefit 14.2 million people, "It would lift about 1.5 million people (including about 400,000 children under age 5) above the poverty line and lift another 9.4 million people (including about 1.9 million children under age 5) closer to the poverty line" and "It also would increase the incomes of about 5.2 million people, including about 1.1 million children under age 5, living in deep poverty, with incomes below half of the poverty line."(link). The CTC is already one of the most effective policies at lifting people out of poverty, but its benefits are limited for the very poor. Furthermore, when similar increased tax credits were implemented in the UK, child poverty was cut in half(while remaining largely stable in our nation).

These benefits won't be misspent, studies have shown it actually reduces spending on smoking and alcohol for instance(http://www.nber.org/papers/w21101). Instead they will pay off even more with longer-term benefits for society. If that still isn't enough for you, if somehow this is not a worthy use of money in your mind-I have added income tax changes to fund it. I am also willing to add other funding if necessary-I was thinking a 1-2% increase in the top corporate tax rate-though people are welcome to give alternative suggestions. This is a worthy bill to earn your support and will be beneficial to millions of Atlasians.

[Terry the Fat Shark]

I will sponsor this.

However, I want to also see the figures for what this would cost in net terms. Did the House do an assessment, or will we need one conducted? This strikes me as being potentially quite expensive.

9 more hours for objections to Adam sponsoring this.

[Terry the Fat Shark]

Adam is the sponsor btw

[Canis]

I support this, don't really see any problems with it as it is.

[fhtagn]

I also know there were issues with the funding method and a proposed idea that might be better, but not sure if it's still going to be introduced or not.

[Terry the Fat Shark]

If there is no more debate, I will start a final vote, 24 hours for objections.

[Mr. Reactionary]

I thought we were waiting for GM numbers to see if this violates pay-go or not. We still need a study. Objection.

[Terry the Fat Shark]

I thought we were waiting for GM numbers to see if this violates pay-go or not. We still need a study. Objection.

OK, objection noted

[Southern Delegate matthew27]

As a guest,  I think this is a wonderful idea! Our babies mean the world and deserve to never have to worry about poverty.

[Former Senator Haslam2020]

I love it!

[fhtagn]

Has anyone PMed the GM team to try to get numbers on this?

[Mr. Reactionary]

I didn't. Has the sponsor?

[Terry the Fat Shark]

I assume not.

[Sestak]

I will be consulting the GM’s office on this.

[Terry the Fat Shark]

Any word?

[Pericles]

The Senate should probably pass this soon.

[Sestak]

This actually needs a sponsor first.

[Sestak]

Move to sponsor, 24 hours to object.

[Mr. Reactionary]

The Senate should probably pass this soon.

Shouldn't they study it first? We still dont have numbers.

[Sestak]

1. Only Senators can make motions.

2. I was waiting for a GM analysis.